So what do you expect to make?, income Options

[Seeker]

Personally, I leave work as soon as the clock rolls over to 5:00. I'm not paid to be there after 5:00, and I believe there should be a strong separation between work and home life.

I do enough advancing on my own time anyways... drawing up business plans, looking up patents, researching laws... so in about 5 years from now when I have my own company with people working for me and making me money while I lounge around on my yacht I can look back and laugh at Dogmeat putting in all that overtime to line someone else's pocket.

[jonathan83]

I need that elitism one. It matches my mentality AND my decor!

as if you had to tell us that.

[Billy]

With the exception of Christine, I would like to know what some of you all do to consider yourselves "elite".

[Dogmeat]

see that's just the thing i'm talking about that makes no sense. why do people assume that time spent at work=advancement? you still didn't answer my question a few posts back. let me rephrase it slightly: if you have to spend 50% more time at work to make 50% more money, did you really make any kind of "advance" in your career? what exactly does career advancement mean to you? is it adding a title to your name? getting subordinates? getting a nicer office? making more money? taking on more responsibility? accomplishing things you couldn't accomlish when you started?

to me, advancement is increasing your pay rate as a result of increase in knowledge, typically due to experience. basically increasing your worth to the company=advancement imho. if i go back to some of the first bits of code i wrote when i started 2.5 years ago, it's horrendous compared to right now, and so was my salary . now i develop much better software, and my paycheck reflects that, and i still work 40 hrs a week (heh, typically less if you count the long ass lunches we take and 30 min breaks throughout the day, as well as mini basketball horse in my boss's office).

I know it's just that basically everything you just said I read as somone making excuses for not wanting to work hard and rationalizing about it

Personally, I leave work as soon as the clock rolls over to 5:00. I'm not paid to be there after 5:00, and I believe there should be a strong separation between work and home life.

I do enough advancing on my own time anyways... drawing up business plans, looking up patents, researching laws... so in about 5 years from now when I have my own company with people working for me and making me money while I lounge around on my yacht I can look back and laugh at Dogmeat putting in all that overtime to line someone else's pocket.

Keep dreaming

[Seeker]

Keep dreaming

Keep wasting your life away at work.

[Dogmeat]

Keep wasting your life away at work.

As I've stated above, you will find that people choose to put the time into their work. This does not mean they're 'wasting their life'. The worst jobs I've ever had in my entire life were 40 hour a week "cushy" jobs that everybody seems to go on and on about wanting to have and how wonderful they are, etc.

[Divergent Realit...]

if you really want a job where you can easily work 40+ hours a week, start a business.

that will get you all the work you could want.

[cupcake]

I need to find a new career path. using my english degree I make $55 g's.

going an alternate route $18 g's a month. but that is simply not an option anymore. ship has sailed.

I've been thinking of going back to school. but don't know what I would major in?

I don't want to sit at a desk all day everyday. it kills me. once in a while to get shit done, sure no sweat.

[Divergent Realit...]

I need to find a new career path. using my english degree I make $55 g's.

going an alternate route $18 g's a month. but that is simply not an option anymore. ship has sailed.

I've been thinking of going back to school. but don't know what I would major in?

I don't want to sit at a desk all day everyday. it kills me. once in a while to get shit done, sure no sweat.

you could kick it environmental science.

get a government hippie job.

do grunt work protecting an obscure or not so obscure plant/animal/rock from the world.

[cupcake]

you could kick it environmental science.

get a government hippie job.

do grunt work protecting an obscure or not so obscure plant/animal/rock from the world.

interesting you mention that. for my electives in my undergrad I took a bunch of geologies. I dig that shit.

I was tossing around the idea of range or wildlife management, but never thought about environmental science...

but do they make good cash? have any idea?

[Spectatrix]

as if you had to tell us that.

Of COURSE I did! Silly person...

[impala454]

I know it's just that basically everything you just said I read as somone making excuses for not wanting to work hard and rationalizing about it
Keep dreaming

or it could be that you're simply avoiding the question a third time. here it is one last time:

if you have to spend 50% more time at work to make 50% more money, did you really make any kind of "advance" in your career?

this is also one of those rare times where Lance and I agree wholeheartedly:

Personally, I leave work as soon as the clock rolls over to 5:00. I'm not paid to be there after 5:00, and I believe there should be a strong separation between work and home life.

[Testm0nkey]

as if you had to tell us that.

i was wondering if anyone else was picking up on that haha

environmental scientists pull in the cash and its a whole lot more than being a park ranger

[Dogmeat]

or it could be that you're simply avoiding the question a third time. here it is one last time:

if you have to spend 50% more time at work to make 50% more money, did you really make any kind of "advance" in your career?

this is also one of those rare times where Lance and I agree wholeheartedly:

Yes, you did make an advance in your career, because quite obviously your manager or boss or whoever is going to reward the person who puts the time and effort in completing more work and learning more about the business. I'm sorry, but what you're proposing is incredibly naive and improbable for the most part. The probability of someone who does not put any extra time and effort in doing as good of job as somone who IS putting that time and effort in going farther in the company is MUCH smaller that for someone who's busting their ass.

And I can already see where you're going with this, "blah blah blah blah, well, what if I do a better job in half the time, blah blah blah" and my answer is read what I just wrote: That doesn't happen very bloody often. You can rationalize it all you want, and you're still gonna be stuck...

Labor Union work ethic is essentially what you're describing, and if you work for a progressive company, that shit just isn't gonna cut it .... Wait until you've been passed up for promotions by people who are willing to bust their asses at work then come talk to me about how great you are in respect to them and how you should have been the one promoted and blah blah blah.

I've seen this and heard this so many times from people it's staggering, and yet somehow magically the people who complain about having to put extra time in at work are more often than not the ones who never go all that far in their careers.....which is fine if you're happy with that I guess *shrug*

[Spectatrix]

or it could be that you're simply avoiding the question a third time. here it is one last time:

if you have to spend 50% more time at work to make 50% more money, did you really make any kind of "advance" in your career?

You work the extra time so that you get noticed and get a promotion. You don't necessarily *continue* working an extra 20 or whatever hours a week after you get that juicy promo.

Though I agree with Lance that the way to go is to start your own business. I plan to do that eventually as well.

This post has been edited by Spectatrix: Oct 24 2006, 11:25 AM