 Civil War In Iraq |
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 Sep 28 2006, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE (Spivey @ Sep 28 2006, 01:48 PM) I just think it is one of the bigger issues. Sure there are plenty of other reasons... Personal vendetta An adventure out in the desert What have you... All I know is that it was def. not about terrorism or WMD. It is all rubbish. Maybe Bush really thought there were weapons of mass destruction?? Oh no, that couldn't be it... It has to be about oil. In other news, control of oil directly effects the price of oil, so essentially you are saying the troops are dying to save a nickel on a gallon. -------------------- "There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: that of the fashionable non-conformist." |
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Sep 28 2006, 02:38 PM
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 New son Donovan Charles Mummert born July 17, 2008 Group: Members Posts: 8,635 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Port Wentworth, GA Member No.: 15 |
you know, i once felt that the war was about oil. i read a lot of articles and TRIED to educate myself (hard to do seeing as how no one on these boards and few in the media know the full picture). I talked with soldiers that fought over there too to hear their take on it. After reading what I did, I just dont find the conclusive evidence that some say there is to believe the war is about oil. Oil prices went UP after we invaded Iraq. The govt does not want high oil prices because that lessens consumer spending. When oil prices are high, our economy is weak. Yeah, oil prices are falling now, but what about a month ago when it was nearly 3.00 in TEXAS WHERE WE HAVE SOME OF THE CHEAPEST GAS PRICES. Oil is going to be an issue with any war fought in the middle east, but to say a big reason we invaded Iraq was to gain an oil foothold in the middle east is somewhat ignorant and hippie in my opinion.
SADAM NEEDED TO BE TAKEN OUT OF POWER.... END OF STORY Clinton didnt do it, Bush Sr. didnt do it. Bush jr stepped up and did it. Yes, Bush jr used the fear of the American people to invade Iraq but at the same time I think our world is a lot better off without that wacko in power. I do think we were tricked into going to war, but the underlying reason was legitimate. Iraq was a ticking timebomb. Same with North Korea and Iran, but those situations have to be handled a lot more carefully. So keep babbling on and on about oil and the whole Bush agenda. Unless you (speaking generally) can come up with legitimate articles to back up your claim (in other words not a fat, white trash, pos with the initials M.M.) then you are making yourself out to be ignorant. This post has been edited by Jessica: Sep 28 2006, 02:42 PM |
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Sep 28 2006, 05:00 PM
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 From Atlantis to Interzone Group: Global Moderators Posts: 2,512 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Somewhere in space and time Member No.: 65 |
QUOTE (Jessica @ Sep 28 2006, 03:38 PM) you know, i once felt that the war was about oil. i read a lot of articles and TRIED to educate myself (hard to do seeing as how no one on these boards and few in the media know the full picture). I talked with soldiers that fought over there too to hear their take on it. After reading what I did, I just dont find the conclusive evidence that some say there is to believe the war is about oil. Oil prices went UP after we invaded Iraq. The govt does not want high oil prices because that lessens consumer spending. When oil prices are high, our economy is weak. Yeah, oil prices are falling now, but what about a month ago when it was nearly 3.00 in TEXAS WHERE WE HAVE SOME OF THE CHEAPEST GAS PRICES. Oil is going to be an issue with any war fought in the middle east, but to say a big reason we invaded Iraq was to gain an oil foothold in the middle east is somewhat ignorant and hippie in my opinion. Remember, the ends aren't the means. Bush might have still invaded the country for oil, but that doesn't mean things worked out as he planned. Irregardless, I don't think that the war was fought soley over oil, but I do believe that it was a contributing factor. I think the biggest factor was a bad case of confirmation bias. Bush wanted to believe that Saddam was a threat, thus he construed the evidence in such a way that it would confirm that belief. QUOTE SADAM NEEDED TO BE TAKEN OUT OF POWER.... END OF STORY Clinton didnt do it, Bush Sr. didnt do it. Bush jr stepped up and did it. Yes, Bush jr used the fear of the American people to invade Iraq but at the same time I think our world is a lot better off without that wacko in power. I do think we were tricked into going to war, but the underlying reason was legitimate. Iraq was a ticking timebomb. Same with North Korea and Iran, but those situations have to be handled a lot more carefully. So keep babbling on and on about oil and the whole Bush agenda. Unless you (speaking generally) can come up with legitimate articles to back up your claim (in other words not a fat, white trash, pos with the initials M.M.) then you are making yourself out to be ignorant. I don't think there's very many people out there in the American public who liked Saddam very much. It's not a matter of whether Saddam should have been taken out so much as it was an issue of when, how, and whether or not it was feasible to, which I don't believe it was. Saddam needed to be taken out by the international community, not by the United States unilaterally. -------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM)  Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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Sep 28 2006, 05:21 PM
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 Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
QUOTE (Hartmann @ Sep 28 2006, 01:56 PM) Maybe Bush really thought there were weapons of mass destruction?? Oh no, that couldn't be it... It has to be about oil. In other news, control of oil directly effects the price of oil, so essentially you are saying the troops are dying to save a nickel on a gallon. Not the case. You can control the supply of oil to the market. -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Sep 28 2006, 05:22 PM
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Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
QUOTE (Jessica @ Sep 28 2006, 02:38 PM) you know, i once felt that the war was about oil. i read a lot of articles and TRIED to educate myself (hard to do seeing as how no one on these boards and few in the media know the full picture). I talked with soldiers that fought over there too to hear their take on it. After reading what I did, I just dont find the conclusive evidence that some say there is to believe the war is about oil. Oil prices went UP after we invaded Iraq. The govt does not want high oil prices because that lessens consumer spending. When oil prices are high, our economy is weak. Yeah, oil prices are falling now, but what about a month ago when it was nearly 3.00 in TEXAS WHERE WE HAVE SOME OF THE CHEAPEST GAS PRICES. Oil is going to be an issue with any war fought in the middle east, but to say a big reason we invaded Iraq was to gain an oil foothold in the middle east is somewhat ignorant and hippie in my opinion. SADAM NEEDED TO BE TAKEN OUT OF POWER.... END OF STORY Clinton didnt do it, Bush Sr. didnt do it. Bush jr stepped up and did it. Yes, Bush jr used the fear of the American people to invade Iraq but at the same time I think our world is a lot better off without that wacko in power. I do think we were tricked into going to war, but the underlying reason was legitimate. Iraq was a ticking timebomb. Same with North Korea and Iran, but those situations have to be handled a lot more carefully. So keep babbling on and on about oil and the whole Bush agenda. Unless you (speaking generally) can come up with legitimate articles to back up your claim (in other words not a fat, white trash, pos with the initials M.M.) then you are making yourself out to be ignorant. I have also done research and have educated myself. Thank you for saying that anyone that does not agree with you is uneducated. -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
-Philip K. Dick |
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Sep 28 2006, 05:22 PM
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 Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
on the NK issue, keep in mind people, it's not like weapons inspectors weren't allowed into Iraq then we immediately invaded. there was an almost five year period between when saddam kicked them out and when we invaded.
this NK stuff hasn't been going on for five years, and I have no doubt in my mind that if it continues, we'll be at war there soon too. in fact I wouldn't be surprised to see us pull out of Iraq soon (letting them have their civil war) in order to allocate troops for NK. |
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Sep 28 2006, 05:23 PM
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Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
QUOTE (Hartmann @ Sep 28 2006, 01:56 PM) Maybe Bush really thought there were weapons of mass destruction?? Oh no, that couldn't be it... It has to be about oil. In other news, control of oil directly effects the price of oil, so essentially you are saying the troops are dying to save a nickel on a gallon. Well I am sure he thought it was a possibility. After all, we gave them the WMDs... surely he had a few left over, what a perfect excuse for invasion... -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
-Philip K. Dick |
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Sep 28 2006, 05:26 PM
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New son Donovan Charles Mummert born July 17, 2008 Group: Members Posts: 8,635 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Port Wentworth, GA Member No.: 15 |
QUOTE (Spivey @ Sep 28 2006, 06:22 PM) I have also done research and have educated myself. Thank you for saying that anyone that does not agree with you is uneducated. back up what you are saying then. where is your evidence of such? its theoretical. Unless you can get into the mind of Bush.... |
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Sep 28 2006, 05:26 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (Spivey @ Sep 28 2006, 06:23 PM) Well I am sure he thought it was a possibility. After all, we gave them the WMDs... surely he had a few left over, what a perfect excuse for invasion... haha you're really grasping for conspiracy now |
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Sep 28 2006, 05:27 PM
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Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
QUOTE (Jessica @ Sep 28 2006, 05:26 PM) back up what you are saying then. where is your evidence of such? its theoretical. Unless you can get into the mind of Bush.... ditto -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
-Philip K. Dick |
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Sep 28 2006, 05:28 PM
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Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
If this war was about WMD, WHERE are they?
-------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
-Philip K. Dick |
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Sep 28 2006, 05:31 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (Spivey @ Sep 28 2006, 06:27 PM) ditto so.. are you saying that the hearing to go to war in which the motion to go to war with iraq over saddam's non-compliance of UN sanctions passed 296-133 in the house and 77-23 in the senate was theoretical?? didn't really happen? |
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Sep 28 2006, 05:32 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (Spivey @ Sep 28 2006, 06:28 PM) If this war was about WMD, WHERE are they? ask saddam |
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Sep 28 2006, 05:32 PM
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Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
They don't exist
-------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
-Philip K. Dick |
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Sep 28 2006, 05:33 PM
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New son Donovan Charles Mummert born July 17, 2008 Group: Members Posts: 8,635 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Port Wentworth, GA Member No.: 15 |
QUOTE (Spivey @ Sep 28 2006, 06:27 PM) ditto its only obvious the claims that i make. Sadam was a threat to his own country and was a threat to other countries making it likely that he could possibly be a threat again. Seriously with this "the main reason we went to Iraq was for oil" bullshit. I dont think this administration is that sneaky and sly like everyone makes them out to be. Iraq had fucking homemade bombs made for children to wear like backpacks. Sure, they didnt have weapons of MASS destruction but they did have weapons of destruction. At least the claims that I make are based on what the administration has said and what has held to be true. Some of you try to guess the reasoning. For all you know, maybe we went to Iraq as a means of fixing the male to female ratio in the united states. Bush doesnt want all those young studds hitting on his wife so he sent them off to war. oh yeah, thats it. Its it because it makes sense. Bush hates young men. Well, all you gay men are ok. |
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