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 Sep 20 2006, 01:30 PM
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The point is, the guy is a Syrian citizen. He's from there, it's not like he's from Barbados and we're sending him to North Korea.
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Sep 20 2006, 01:31 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 3,403 Joined: 23-February 06 From: PDX/TXL Member No.: 35 |
QUOTE During the flight, Arar said, he heard the pilots and crew identify themselves in radio communications as members of “the Special Removal Unit.†Because prisoners would be held in such a way that they could identify their holders  Also he's pretty smart to know that he landed in Jordan and then drove 10 hours into Syria, especially if it was night. I mean, unless he knows Syria 
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Sep 20 2006, 01:32 PM
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 From Atlantis to Interzone Group: Global Moderators Posts: 2,512 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Somewhere in space and time Member No.: 65 |
QUOTE (Hartmann @ Sep 20 2006, 02:30 PM) The point is, the guy is a Syrian citizen. He's from there, it's not like he's from Barbados and we're sending him to North Korea. Yes. But he doesn't reside there. He resides in Canada, where he was destined, and he had proof of such. -------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM)  Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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Sep 20 2006, 01:35 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 3,403 Joined: 23-February 06 From: PDX/TXL Member No.: 35 |
QUOTE (pebkac @ Sep 20 2006, 01:32 PM) Yes. But he doesn't reside there. He resides in Canada, where he was destined, and he had proof of such. Have you ever been to a foreign airport? In Europe they're even more hardcore than we are. I was "residing" in Germany and had the paperwork to prove it. After arriving in France I was held for about an hour as they checked out my story, my paperwork, and my background. It doesn't matter where you reside, they're going to check you out if you arouse suspicion or if they just feel like it. -------------------- "There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: that of the fashionable non-conformist." |
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Sep 20 2006, 01:36 PM
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 Group: Moderators Posts: 2,499 Joined: 23-February 06 From: El Paso Texas Member No.: 32 |
Dude, give me a fucking break
Pablo in el paso was born in mexico. he lives in the united states and can prove it. so fucking what, doesn't make him a citizen, fucker still a mexican citizen -------------------- |
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Sep 20 2006, 01:36 PM
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QUOTE (pebkac @ Sep 20 2006, 02:32 PM) Yes. But he doesn't reside there. He resides in Canada, where he was destined, and he had proof of such. so get there some other way than through the fuckin US |
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Sep 20 2006, 01:36 PM
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From Atlantis to Interzone Group: Global Moderators Posts: 2,512 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Somewhere in space and time Member No.: 65 |
QUOTE (Hartmann @ Sep 20 2006, 02:35 PM) Have you ever been to a foreign airport? In Europe they're even more hardcore than we are. I was "residing" in Germany and had the paperwork to prove it. After arriving in France I was held for about an hour as they checked out my story, my paperwork, and my background. It doesn't matter where you reside, they're going to check you out if you arouse suspicion or if they just feel like it. Yes. Did you get sent to a third world country to get beaten and tortured for 10 and a half months? -------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM) Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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Sep 20 2006, 01:38 PM
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From Atlantis to Interzone Group: Global Moderators Posts: 2,512 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Somewhere in space and time Member No.: 65 |
QUOTE (impala454 @ Sep 20 2006, 02:36 PM) so get there some other way than through the fuckin US Why? There was no evidence he was involved in illegal activities. All they had on him was the fact he was seen having a conversation with a person who MIGHT have been a terrorist. -------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM) Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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Sep 20 2006, 01:38 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (pebkac @ Sep 20 2006, 02:36 PM) Yes. Did you get sent to a third world country to get beaten and tortured for 10 and a half months? you mean did he get sent home? back to the united states? where he was born and is a citizen? |
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Sep 20 2006, 01:39 PM
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From Atlantis to Interzone Group: Global Moderators Posts: 2,512 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Somewhere in space and time Member No.: 65 |
QUOTE (impala454 @ Sep 20 2006, 02:38 PM) you mean did he get sent home? back to the united states? where he was born and is a citizen? lol Well, if the United States is a third world country that the country he was in sends people to be beaten and tortured on suspicion of being a terrorist, I suppose that would be an accurate analogy. -------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM) Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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Sep 20 2006, 01:44 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (pebkac @ Sep 20 2006, 02:38 PM) Why? There was no evidence he was involved in illegal activities. All they had on him was the fact he was seen having a conversation with a person who MIGHT have been a terrorist. i don't think you understand this. say there's a guy, we'll call him durka. durka has been under the CIA spyglass for a while because of suspected terrorist activities. durka makes friends with a guy from syria named mustafa. such good friends that durka signs to be the absolute first person called if anything bad happens to mustafa. the CIA no doubt notices this, and probably flags mustafa to keep an eye on too. so now they notice mustafa goes home to syria to visit. now, given these ties, how does it surprise you that we wouldn't want to allow mustafa into OUR country. we're not talking about the coffee shop clerk that sells mustafa coffee every day and says hi, how are the canucks doing? we're talking about a fucking suspsected terrorist signing as the guy's first point of emergency contact. |
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Sep 20 2006, 01:44 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 3,403 Joined: 23-February 06 From: PDX/TXL Member No.: 35 |
QUOTE (pebkac @ Sep 20 2006, 01:36 PM) Yes. Did you get sent to a third world country to get beaten and tortured for 10 and a half months? No I didn't get beaten but this guy can't prove he was either... It's his word against no one's, he's just pissed off he got sent back to his mud hut in eastern syria. "I'm tired of the Kurds!" -------------------- "There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: that of the fashionable non-conformist." |
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Sep 20 2006, 01:45 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (Hartmann @ Sep 20 2006, 02:44 PM) No I didn't get beaten but this guy can't prove he was either... It's his word against no one's, he's just pissed off he got sent back to his mud hut in eastern syria. "I'm tired of the Kurds!" he probably did get beaten, because he fled the country to avoid military service. |
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Sep 20 2006, 01:46 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (pebkac @ Sep 20 2006, 02:39 PM) lol Well, if the United States is a third world country that the country he was in sends people to be beaten and tortured on suspicion of being a terrorist, I suppose that would be an accurate analogy. not our fault the guy came from a shitty place where bad stuff like that happens |
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Sep 20 2006, 01:48 PM
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Group: Moderators Posts: 2,499 Joined: 23-February 06 From: El Paso Texas Member No.: 32 |
QUOTE (impala454 @ Sep 20 2006, 01:46 PM) not our fault the guy came from a shitty place where bad stuff like that happens yes it is because the US is responsible for all the bad in the world -------------------- |
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