Muslims are fucking idiots Options

[Divergent Realit...]

The main thing that separates Christians and Catholics is the fact that Catholics do not believe in salvation (some do, but the Church as a whole does not). Instead, they believe in good works and Hail Mary's will get them out of purgatory (another thing that Christians don't subscribe to).

Paul never intended these things of the Christian Church and as the Church evolved it split into separate entities with the Catholic side being much more political (Constantine anyone?).

but constantine knows kung fu.

[Hartmann]

Let me rephrase my one statement. Catholics believe in salvation, but they do not believe in salvation by grace or being saved.

[GOB]

Catholicism ----------> a bunch of bullshit rituals/obstacles aka The Roman Church ------> Jesus

well since you put it that way, i guess you really aren't defending one or the other.


and hey, if you can find a non-geocities website where the catholic church admits to having no affiliation with christianity, that would be swell.

Just because Catholicism has you doing things differently than some other denominations doesn't take away from it actually being Christian.  I mean, if you wanted to say it that way, we might as well say that Calvinistic Denomination's aren't Christian at all because of Predestination and TULIP.  Or that Southern Baptist's aren't either because they don't allow dancing.

and episcopalians aren't christian because they allow fags to be bishops, am i rite? by his logic? because it's different?

The main thing that separates Christians and Catholics is the fact that Catholics do not believe in salvation (some do, but the Church as a whole does not). Instead, they believe in good works and Hail Mary's will get them out of purgatory (another thing that Christians don't subscribe to).

prostetants may not believe in purgatory, but there's a period after death when they need to be "glorified" to reach heaven. the only difference between the two is that
-purgatory takes the prayer of others to clear you of sins
and
-protestants don't sin, so there's no need

i knew some shitbag would turn dogmeat's rant into a religious debate, so i'm glad it was knucklehead and not brandon this time.

[Hartmann]

prostetants may not believe in purgatory, but there's a period after death when they need to be "glorified" to reach heaven. the only difference between the two is that
-purgatory takes the prayer of others to clear you of sins
and
-protestants don't sin, so there's no need

I don't understand... Everyone sins. The idea of purgatory is not believed in by protestants (or Baptists, etc.) because they believe in salvation by grace. We believe that no matter how many good works you do or how much you pray it will not get you into Heaven. We simply believe that if you believe Christ died for your sins then you are saved and granted the gift of eternal life. Basically, no one can clear you of your sins besides Jesus.

Also, some Catholics believe that your good will be weighed against your bad before you are let into Heaven, most Christians do not believe this (though some do).

Anyway it's not pertinent to the original topic of the thread...

In other news: http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2006/09/19/3...ology-from-pope

[Divergent Realit...]

so chrisitans bought tickets to the game and catholics bribed the bouncer?

[GOB]

I don't understand... Everyone sins. The idea of purgatory is not believed in by protestants (or Baptists, etc.) because they believe in salvation by grace. We believe that no matter how many good works you do or how much you pray it will not get you into Heaven. We simply believe that if you believe Christ died for your sins then you are saved and granted the gift of eternal life. Basically, no one can clear you of your sins besides Jesus.

i was being facetious. it was a knock at the holier than thou attitude of some.

[GOB]

so non-catholic chrisitans bought tickets to the game and catholics bribed the bouncer? and the non-catholic christian preachers rolled up in their pink cadillacs wearing $3k suits with television cameras everywhere

more like this

[Billy]

Call a true Christian a Catholic, and they'll look at you like you're a fucktard. And vice-versa. Trust me I know plenty of both, I'm not just defending one or the other.


They're seperate religions built on the same foundation, but they have very different ideas about salvation. Since salvation is pretty much a fundamental idea in Islam, Christianity, Catholicism, etc etc, saying they're the same if they have different ideas about salvation is, well, retarded. Try reading up on "sola scriptura" and the "five solas".


Christianity --------> Jesus

Catholicism ----------> a bunch of bullshit rituals/obstacles aka The Roman Church ------> Jesus



Judiasm and Islam both come from the same foundation..... would you say Jews and Muslims are the same? No, I wouldn't either. That would be fucktardedness. They both believe in God, but have very different views about how you reach God. Thus they are blatantly different religions, nobody would argue that. So if catholics and christians differ over how you go about reaching God, saying they're the same is laughable.

Catholics aren't christian, and christians aren't catholic. It's that simple. There's no misconception.



baptist, protestant, methodist, blah blah etc etc = denominations of Christianity.


Catholicism = a seperate church. They'll admit this readily. They're not a denomination of Christianity.


(the more you know)

You're thinking of the difference between Protestants and Catholics. Both of these groups fall under the Christian religion. There is not a Catholic or Protestant religion. Just a christian one. There are many denominations of Protestants, such as baptist, church of christ, etc. The defining issue of what seperates protestants from catholics is the following of the Pope. Catholics, obviously hail the Pope. Protestants do not. However, all Christians believe in .... Christ. There are ritual differences too. But both Protestant and Catholics are Christians.

[Divergent Realit...]

more like this

anyone remember living stones church?

thats a place with phenomenal amounts of money flowing into it.

the only reason i know how much is because its based from my home town.

lots of land. and the sattelite looks like theres a go-kart track, some water slides, a pool, a pond and a baseball field.

ugh...

[Hartmann]

i was being facetious. it was a knock at the holier than thou attitude of some.

Sorry, sarcasm doesn't work on the interweb.

[Spectatrix]

Catholics aren't christian, and christians aren't catholic. It's that simple. There's no misconception.



baptist, protestant, methodist, blah blah etc etc = denominations of Christianity.


Catholicism = a seperate church. They'll admit this readily. They're not a denomination of Christianity.

Catholics aren't Protestants, but they are Christians. Not all Christians are Catholic, obviously. It's really quite simple. Under the umbrella of Christianity (religions that believe that Jesus Christ was divine, etc. etc.) is Protestantism (divided into Baptists, Methodists, Church of Christ, etc.), Catholicism, Orthodox, and independents. The Roman Catholic Church is a different denomination that the others you mentioned, but they are most definitely Christian. As a former Catholic (and a pretty snotty, devout one at that), I'm pretty damn sure I know what I'm talking about.

Hartmann -- Catholics believe in salvation by good works AND faith (not works alone), whereas Protestants believe in salvation by faith alone.

Protestants also believe in Sola Scriptura, whereas Catholics and Orthodox believe in scripture + tradition.

[chook]

I think Christine has it down pretty well.

[Hartmann]

Hartmann -- Catholics believe in salvation by good works AND faith (not works alone), whereas Protestants believe in salvation by faith alone.

Thanks. I always a little confused about their view on salvation. I have a few Catholic friends and they are never able to give me a straight answer. The fact that they still have Jesus on the cross befuddles me as well.

[Seeker]

catholics worship the virgin mary, when catholicism spread to the pagans the pagans just kept their own beliefs of godess worship and packaged it in a christian package

[GOB]

catholics worship the virgin mary, when catholicism spread to the pagans the pagans just kept their own beliefs of godess worship and packaged it in a christian package