US Naval Exercise, Cancelled to protect endangered whales Options

[Guest_CANNONBALL_*]

also you would think that since this is an annual exercise (the largest one of its specific kind...which is a lot of sub-ops...not just hunting, but in our case deploying raiders from sub silos)...that after 20+ goddamn years they would have been able to gather enough quantitative evidence on the hazards of sonar. I mean you'd think by now that you'd see a slew of blue whales corpses floating ashore on waikiki or some shit...

[Hartmann]

also you would think that since this is an annual exercise (the largest one of its specific kind...which is a lot of sub-ops...not just hunting, but in our case deploying raiders from sub silos)...that after 20+ goddamn years they would have been able to gather enough quantitative evidence on the hazards of sonar. I mean you'd think by now that you'd see a slew of blue whales corpses floating ashore on waikiki or some shit...

Exactly... Active sonar has been heavily used for years (since somewhere around 1970) and we're just now seeing the effects?? BS.

[Seeker]

If it harms human snorklers you don't think it would harm marine life?

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_..._61/ai_78966509

Also during the Hawaii test, a snorkler was exposed to a 125 decibel LFA broadcast over a period of thirty to forty-five minutes. She emerged from the water with symptoms a doctor diagnosed as similar to acute trauma: "She could barely talk, had difficulties in expressing and finding words, expressed dizziness and confusion.... There was tremor in reaching for things and difficulties in walking straight forward with open eyes.

For example, seventeen whales from four different species stranded themselves in the Bahamas in March 2000. Seven died. At the same time, the navy was conducting the Littoral Warfare Advanced Development Sea Tests, which used various sonar devices and included high intensity (235 decibel) broadcasts.

the navy has known the resonance frequency of airspaces in Cuvier's beaked whales since 1998 and places the resonance frequency in the whales' cranial airspaces at about 290 hertz at 500 meters depth--precisely the middle frequency of the LFA system.

[Hartmann]

So how far do the whales have to be from the boats? I can just imagine this getting worse and in the time of crisis a ship/sub encountering an enemy, taking sufficient measures, then a school of whales floats by so the captain has to order the active sonar turned off, then the enemy boats sinks them... A few hundred (or thousand) men dead so some whale doesn't beach itself...

[Seeker]

So how far do the whales have to be from the boats? I can just imagine this getting worse and in the time of crisis a ship/sub encountering an enemy, taking sufficient measures, then a school of whales floats by so the captain has to order the active sonar turned off, then the enemy boats sinks them... A few hundred (or thousand) men dead so some whale doesn't beach itself...

If whales keep popping up dead all over the place that would tell our enemies precisely the location where our subs are at. They wouldn't even need to use sonar they'd just have to follow the dead whales.

[Guest_CANNONBALL_*]

She could barely talk, had difficulties in expressing and finding words, expressed dizziness and confusion....

I've had that diving too...brought on by alternobaric vertigo, hypothermia, and too much nitrogen in my blood due to rebreathers.

[Guest_CANNONBALL_*]

If whales keep popping up dead all over the place that would tell our enemies precisely the location where our subs are at. They wouldn't even need to use sonar they'd just have to follow the dead whales.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

[Seeker]

I've had that diving too...brought on by alternobaric vertigo, hypothermia, and too much nitrogen in my blood due to rebreathers.

She wasn't diving, she was snorkeling... which is breathing through a tube on the surface of the water.

[Seeker]

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

AM I RIGHT?!?!

[Guest_CANNONBALL_*]

She wasn't diving, she was snorkeling... which is breathing through a tub on the surface of the water.

I know. my point is, if I can heal up from it just fine, can't a fuckin whale that weighs 20x more than me?

[Seeker]

I know. my point is, if I can heal up from it just fine, can't a fuckin whale that weighs 20x more than me?

Nope, the damage is much worse to whales and dolphins since the sound resonates in their cranial cavity somehow, you'd have to read the study on it since I'm no biologist.

[Hartmann]

If whales keep popping up dead all over the place that would tell our enemies precisely the location where our subs are at. They wouldn't even need to use sonar they'd just have to follow the dead whales.

Except they don't just "pop up" and there aren't a ton of them...

[pysex]

I still don't like any of this. Humans are destructive. We build things that destroy our environment. My dog ate a nest of sparrows in my backyard. I killed an entire population of ants and cockroaches under my porch. I hit a coon and flattened it's head on my way back to Lubbock last week. WE DESTROY THINGS. I don't think a couple of fucking whales washing up on shore is going to make a difference. Why are we limiting our defensive capabilities when North Korea just launched a shitton of practice missiles? You think that shit was for the 4th? North Korea's version of a grand finale? THEY WANT TO FUCKING DESTROY US. Give power back to the military and mow the fuckers down.

[Psykopath]

since when did four failed missles = a shitton of missles?

[pysex]

i'm saying shitton because frankly i have no idea how many there were... news agencies reported 30 different things the day it happened


saying things like japan had missiles launched at them, 6 armed missiles, missiles were duds, blah blah blah, north korea just launched a life-size godzilla into tokyo, blah blah blah