 E85 Ethanol, anyone used it yet? |
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 Jun 28 2006, 07:54 PM
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 DEATH TO ....something? Group: Members Posts: 5,618 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Parker, CO Member No.: 55  |
QUOTE (chook @ Jun 28 2006, 07:29 PM) I think the cleanest is the fuel cell because it does not use carbon's in the reaction, but these are too expensive to be practical at the moment. It is ... You can sum the whole thing up by H20 + energy---> H + 1/2 O2 .... anything having to do with carbon (Molten Carbonate catalyst furl cell) would be nill as it's only used as a catalyst ... However.... the "energy" part of that equation is what kills the entire thing. Even if you had cheap as dirt %80 effecient fuel cells.....You still need fuel  Which is the problem
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Jun 29 2006, 08:27 AM
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I was talking to a former coworker about this some more yesterday and she was saying that they were testing CO2 injection in a well in Houston to see where the CO2 went over time after being injected into the well. They found that depending on the makeup of the minerals in the ground, the acidity levels rose.
What does this mean? Too much CO2 being pumped in could equal sinkholes later on. They are figuring out ways to lower the acidity but still make it useful -------------------- "There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: that of the fashionable non-conformist." |
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Jun 29 2006, 08:50 AM
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 TANSTAAFL Group: Members Posts: 147 Joined: 22-February 06 From: The Woodlands, TX Member No.: 26 |
In the oil fields around bakersfield california they use steam injection
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Jun 29 2006, 08:57 AM
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 Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Jun 28 2006, 08:50 PM) No, I'm not kidding you at all. Heavy equipment that is not used on government-owned roads (eg it burns the red diesel) such as farm and construction equipment are not bound by the same environmental regulations that passenger vehicles are, and at least as far as this is concerned would erase, if there are any, small benefit burning E85 in passenger cars would have because if we were to switch over to this and have a very large portion of the US's passenger car fleet run off of it... .....................You're gonna have to grow and harvest a hell of a lot more corn which will in turn bump the consumption of diesel fuel up greatly for the equipment usd to harvest this corn and whatnot, and drive the price of diesel fuel up even more.... I'm sorry folks, but E85 is a fucking political stunt.....it's not that great of idea. farm equipment wouldn't burn more fuel than it could harvest to make. otherwise they wouldn't do it. duh. |
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Jun 29 2006, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ Jun 29 2006, 08:57 AM) farm equipment wouldn't burn more fuel than it could harvest to make. otherwise they wouldn't do it. duh. So what do they do after they harvest it? Magically transport it to processing plants to make it usable for bakeries, breweries, supermarkets, and other businesses without using any fuel? -------------------- Beers that I have had, updated July 5th, 2009: 1,548
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Jun 29 2006, 10:02 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (dauss @ Jun 29 2006, 10:22 AM) So what do they do after they harvest it? Magically transport it to processing plants to make it usable for bakeries, breweries, supermarkets, and other businesses without using any fuel? I didn't say they wouldn't use farm equipment. I said the farm equipment wouldn't burn more fuel than it could harvest to make. It'd be like a gas tanker truck using more fuel than it delivered, it'd be pointless and nobody would do it. |
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Jun 29 2006, 06:26 PM
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 monogamous gays & stem cells Group: Members Posts: 3,789 Joined: 22-February 06 Member No.: 8 |
QUOTE (chook @ Jun 28 2006, 07:41 PM) that is a big fucking lie i was joking. michael crichton has some shitty book about it and there was an article in the wall street journal the other day on the subject |
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Jun 29 2006, 09:56 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 3,403 Joined: 23-February 06 From: PDX/TXL Member No.: 35 |
QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Jun 29 2006, 06:26 PM) i was joking. michael crichton has some shitty book about it and there was an article in the wall street journal the other day on the subject He doesn't state that global warming is myth in his book at all. Instead (and I've read it) he simply states that we as humans give ourselves too much credit for the warming trends. He makes references to studies that say there is cyclic warming occurring. It's an interesting theory and he does back it up. One fact is that while yes, the number of hurricanes in the Atlantic increased, the number that occurred in the Pacific decreased, leading to equilibrium. -------------------- "There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: that of the fashionable non-conformist." |
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Jun 30 2006, 08:56 AM
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DEATH TO ....something? Group: Members Posts: 5,618 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Parker, CO Member No.: 55 |
QUOTE (impala454 @ Jun 29 2006, 09:57 AM) farm equipment wouldn't burn more fuel than it could harvest to make. otherwise they wouldn't do it. duh. They wouldn't? Go back to what I've been saying all along here....This is a political stunt, and it's basically to give american farmers business... Which I've said 100 times I'm not against, but I find it completley rediculous they're claiming this will have any benefit whatsoever on stemming air pollution. -------------------- I r Ur Gawd!
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Jun 30 2006, 09:26 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
i couldn't give two shits about air pollution, but if I can save $20-30 a month by running this fuel that'd be awesome
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Jun 30 2006, 02:44 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 290 Joined: 23-February 06 Member No.: 59 |
My giant muscle car doesn't like ethanol, I hope they dont' start mixing in more than 10%. But actually I guess if they did then regular gas would get cheaper(if I could find it). Dilemma.
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Jun 30 2006, 04:39 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
well thats where i still havent seen much data yet which is weird. i see some places saying that E85 can be as high as 105 octane, then some others saying it barely gets to 87, and some on both sides saying it has great/poor performance. just not much good info yet it seems.
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Jun 30 2006, 05:32 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
QUOTE (impala454 @ Jun 30 2006, 04:39 PM) well thats where i still havent seen much data yet which is weird. i see some places saying that E85 can be as high as 105 octane, then some others saying it barely gets to 87, and some on both sides saying it has great/poor performance. just not much good info yet it seems. The octane level doesn't affect power... just the fuel's resistance to engine knocking. If I remember only ONE thing from thermo 1, it'll be that... -------------------- |
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Jun 30 2006, 06:11 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 161 Joined: 28-February 06 Member No.: 97 |
can someone link a reputable site that explains the energy yield of ethonal that does not include the cost of the building material for the plants?
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Jun 30 2006, 07:05 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 706 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Lubbock, TX Member No.: 20 |
QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Jun 30 2006, 05:32 PM) The octane level doesn't affect power... just the fuel's resistance to engine knocking. Yeah, but if a car's manual says it need premium, then you need to give it premium, such as a Subaru Impreza STi. When you use a lower octane fuel in the car, the car's computer can detect knock and retard the ignition to prevent it, but at the cost of reduced power and efficiency. So if you dyno a performance car with regular and premium gas, the power output is will be increased with the use of premium. If you decide to fill up your Ford Escort with premium, you will not see any power gains because it was designed to run on premium. -------------------- Beers that I have had, updated July 5th, 2009: 1,548
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