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QUOTE (Lancifer @ May 28 2006, 08:04 PM) you mean so you can fuck, cheat, lie, steal, kill fetuses, and make fun of the mentally handicapped - confess it all on sunday and then repeat it all again the following week? Sometime your contrition may be activly stop doing what your sin is. Say if I was living with my girlfriend and we were not married, he would say the contrition is not prayer, but to move out. -------------------- Southern Rock, beer and bears!
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May 29 2006, 12:11 AM
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QUOTE (Epic @ May 28 2006, 08:15 PM) and confessing your sins is only part of it. you also have to ask for repentance and want to change, or at least that's part of "loving christ" and "seeking salvation" so intentionally sinning like that and thinking that you cna just confess and feel better about it is bullshit. Hell in catholicism guilt is part of repentance! It's called the sin of "presumption" to sin and say "it's ok, God will forgive me." You're right, though, about the repentance and the want to change. Granted, it's not always easy to change, but we're supposed to try. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church: However, if a person enters the Sacrament with the intention of committing the sin later, then this person is not sorry for his sins and the sin will not be forgiven. (CCC 1494). See, it's not as easy as people would make it out to be. You have to confess your sins with sincere regret for having committed them and with firm intention not to commit them again. It's not just a forgiveness drive-through. QUOTE catholicism is a chore, not a joyous celebration That's a matter of opinion, really. I find it to be a very joyous faith. |
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May 29 2006, 03:26 AM
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QUOTE (lamont's lament @ May 28 2006, 08:33 PM) and at least catholics repent. most other chrisitian denominations do whatever they want without a second thought, using their faith as an excuse for any fuckup they make. protestants still repent...just to God, not to a man. --------------------  |
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May 29 2006, 07:50 AM
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QUOTE (jonathan83 @ May 29 2006, 04:26 AM) protestants still repent...just to God, not to a man. well, i guess that's what makes the two different; catholics take guidance from someone who has totally devoted their lives to god, and protestants just think to themselves for like 43 seconds and they're totally cleansed and forgiven. i bet nothing feels better than for somebody to forgive themself everyday for the same thing because there's never any guilt! catholocism teaches that you can't absolve your own sins. you can truly feel sorry for something you did, which is essential for forgiveness, but you can't forgive yourself... it's pretty much common sense. you can't absolve your own sins, it's something only god can do, which is through members of the clergy (yes, it's in the bible). again, i'm just going on what i've been taught. |
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May 29 2006, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE (Erik B. @ May 29 2006, 12:11 AM) That's a matter of opinion, really. I find it to be a very joyous faith. how can you feel like a wretched, guilty sinnful creature and be joyous? from the day you are born you are a sinner. you aren't even allowed to start with a clean slate. --------------------  QUOTE (Jessica @ May 7 2007, 01:15 PM)  but yeehaw dammit. YEEHAW QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Jun 26 2008, 07:51 PM) ok once upon a time I jacked myself off retarded. Licking anuses, one kindergarten class at a time!! |
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May 29 2006, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ May 29 2006, 08:26 AM) how can you feel like a wretched, guilty sinnful creature and be joyous? from the day you are born you are a sinner. you aren't even allowed to start with a clean slate. Because I believe that the grace and salvation that comes through the sacrements is a wonderful and joyous gift from God. I mean, I can't really explain it any better than that. It's a faith thing, and one that I honestly don't know how to debate. Like I said, it's an opinion of mine. |
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May 29 2006, 08:52 AM
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GORILLA FLUFFER Group: Agents Posts: 7,711 Joined: 23-February 06 From: lubbock Member No.: 50 |
QUOTE (Erik B. @ May 29 2006, 08:44 AM) Because I believe that the grace and salvation that comes through the sacrements is a wonderful and joyous gift from God. I mean, I can't really explain it any better than that. It's a faith thing, and one that I honestly don't know how to debate. Like I said, it's an opinion of mine. i respect your beliefs, to each there own. i wasn't questioning them, just inquisitive. my experiance with catholicism, (well, all of the measily 7 months i tried to get involved in it) gave me the impression of what i said. it just seems that no matter how clean you are, you're still dirty, and nothing you can do will ever make you clean. seems mournful and dreary. and i don't like the concept that i'm a dirty stray dog in the ally, and that my god will one day pick me up and bring me out of the rain, but ONLY if i won't track my mud (sins) on the floor -------------------- QUOTE (Jessica @ May 7 2007, 01:15 PM) but yeehaw dammit. YEEHAW QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Jun 26 2008, 07:51 PM) ok once upon a time I jacked myself off retarded. Licking anuses, one kindergarten class at a time!! |
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May 29 2006, 08:58 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 142 Joined: 25-February 06 From: Saint Louis, MO Member No.: 81 |
QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ May 29 2006, 08:52 AM) i respect your beliefs, to each there own. i wasn't questioning them, just inquisitive. my experiance with catholicism, (well, all of the measily 7 months i tried to get involved in it) gave me the impression of what i said. it just seems that no matter how clean you are, you're still dirty, and nothing you can do will ever make you clean. seems mournful and dreary. and i don't like the concept that i'm a dirty stray dog in the ally, and that my god will one day pick me up and bring me out of the rain, but ONLY if i won't track my mud (sins) on the floor Fair enough. Did you go through any educational things when you were "trying it out"? Really, that explained a lot to me. For me, the guilt I would feel as a result of sinning would be there no matter what church I belonged to. A sin is a sin, and the bible lays those out for us pretty well, so Catholics and Protestants alike understand what a sin is. I personally don't see the guilt trip that so many claim that every Catholic is on. |
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May 29 2006, 10:40 AM
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Yeah, Catholics aren't all about guilt-tripping. Honestly, the churches I've been to didn't put much emphasis on the sacrament of penance. I mean, yeah you were supposed to confess your sins on a regular basis, but the priest was never up there saying "confess your sins or you'll go to Hell!!!11!!!one!11"
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May 29 2006, 11:15 AM
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May 29 2006, 11:40 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 142 Joined: 25-February 06 From: Saint Louis, MO Member No.: 81 |
QUOTE (Lancifer @ May 29 2006, 11:15 AM) You make me laugh. Not because you make sense, but because you will do anything in your power to piss people off. 
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May 29 2006, 03:28 PM
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Oh baby bring me down Group: Agents Posts: 4,115 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Way out yonder Member No.: 68 |
QUOTE (jonathan83 @ May 29 2006, 03:26 AM) protestants still repent...just to God, not to a man. Inheritance of the apostles, and I believe its a protestant church that is having the issue. -------------------- Southern Rock, beer and bears!
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May 29 2006, 05:29 PM
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GORILLA FLUFFER Group: Agents Posts: 7,711 Joined: 23-February 06 From: lubbock Member No.: 50 |
QUOTE (Erik B. @ May 29 2006, 08:58 AM) Fair enough. Did you go through any educational things when you were "trying it out"? Really, that explained a lot to me. For me, the guilt I would feel as a result of sinning would be there no matter what church I belonged to. A sin is a sin, and the bible lays those out for us pretty well, so Catholics and Protestants alike understand what a sin is. I personally don't see the guilt trip that so many claim that every Catholic is on. nah, didn't go for educational seminars. it's just i've tried out several different styles of worship, and none of them suited what i was comfortable with/ believed. the same way i dislike the guilt trip, i even more hate the hellfire and brimstone "YOU'RE GONNA DIE AND BURN TILL YOU DIE FROM IT!" approach of some other denominations -------------------- QUOTE (Jessica @ May 7 2007, 01:15 PM) but yeehaw dammit. YEEHAW QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Jun 26 2008, 07:51 PM) ok once upon a time I jacked myself off retarded. Licking anuses, one kindergarten class at a time!! |
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May 30 2006, 01:52 PM
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one church (that we dont even know which denomination) did something pretty dumb. ZOMG all christians are teh sux0rz now!
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May 30 2006, 02:33 PM
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Oh baby bring me down Group: Agents Posts: 4,115 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Way out yonder Member No.: 68 |
QUOTE (impala454 @ May 30 2006, 01:52 PM) one church (that we dont even know which denomination) did something pretty dumb. ZOMG all christians are teh sux0rz now! It is the truth, Chuck Chuck Chuck!! i just like typing my name! -------------------- Southern Rock, beer and bears!
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