Timbo acting like a retard douche, again, and losing an argument, again Options

[Throwdown]

i saw this in the austin american statesman today. you have to register to view the article so i just pasted it here

The new generation of video game consoles from Sony Corp., Nintendo Co. and Microsoft Corp. have more than zippy processors and flashy graphics in common: They're also getting serious about online services.

Although earlier models also provide the necessary plugs to enter most online worlds, they've done little to capitalize on them.

That's changing with the upcoming PlayStation 3 from Sony and the Wii from Nintendo, as well as the Xbox 360 released by Microsoft late last year.

All three contenders in this round of console wars have announced broad plans to turn their systems into networked hubs that deliver an array of content and services beyond just games — features such as videoconferencing and downloadable movies.

Just how they will stack up should be a central theme of this week's Electronic Entertainment Expo in Los Angeles, the game industry's de facto annual conference.

As always, the overall focus of the expo, E3 for short, will be actual games, many of which make their debut at the show. But the days of unconnected gaming are numbered.

In fact, a new AP-AOL Games poll of 1,046 gamers finds that among the four in 10 Americans who play games on computers or consoles, 45 percent play online. And they spend more money and time on gaming than those who only play offline.

The market for game downloads on consoles and PCs, meanwhile, is poised to grow from less than $1 million in 2005 to nearly $4 billion by 2011, according to ABI Research.

"It is the future that we have to move toward," said Denis Dyack, whose company, Silicon Knights, is working on "Too Human," a sci-fi multiplayer game for Xbox 360. "What you get online cannot be duplicated. When you play with your friends, that creates something intangible that can't be done in any kind of linear experience."

The shift to online comes four years after Microsoft took the first step and debuted its $50-per-year Xbox Live service for the original Xbox.

Back then, according to Microsoft, less than 10 percent of gamers played online. Today, about half of the 3.2 million Xbox 360 units sold so far are connected.

Even with more than 2 million paying subscribers, Microsoft's early lead is not insurmountable for its rivals, said Josh Larson, director of GameSpot Trax, an industry service that measures emerging trends in gaming.

Sony has a shot at convincing gamers that the PS3 can deliver a comprehensive online service that's simple and affordable, Larson said, despite the company's history of releasing proprietary, hard-to-use standards.

"The software is really the killer app," he said. "We know roughly what the systems are going to look like. Now it's just 'show us what we can do with it.' "

Though full details haven't been released, Sony executives have positioned the PS3's online service as a family media hub with voice and video communications over the Internet. Players will be able to buy downloadable extras such as game demos and virtual weapons and armor used in play.

Sony also has access to the vast library of music and motion pictures owned by its entertainment subsidiaries.

Nintendo, meanwhile, will stick to games and dip into its decades-old library, offering a "Virtual Console" download service to play classics such as "Mario Bros" and "Zelda."

Sony and Nintendo haven't announced prices for their online services or consoles. As with Xbox Live, players will need a high-speed Internet connection and related networking gear.

that is absolutely ridiculous imo. call me old school or a dinosaur, but i enjoy just sitting down, turning a system on and playing a game. i've never played online, nor do i have a desire to ever play Madden against a frenchman. they're saying that of the 40% who play games, 45% play online. that's only 18% of gamers, and they're now trying to make all consoles online only? sounds like another ploy to screw gamers out of more and more money

[Timbo]

You don't HAVE a point, because you're trying to avoid addressing the point you made earlier, which is what Jim was arguing against.  Jim's post was not specifically about PS3 or Blu-Ray, but about your assertion that games with more content will be more expensive, even prohibitively so.

Very large letters it is, then.

CONTEXT CLUES, YOU JAMOKE

WHAT IS THE CONSOLE THIS WHOLE MESS HAS BEEN ABOUT?
PS3

WHAT SORT OF DISC SYSTEM DOES THIS CONSOLE USE?
Blu-Ray

BECAUSE THIS DISC SYSTEM HAS MORE SPACE AND IT IS A PROPRIETARY FORMAT, THAT WILL MEAN HIGHER COSTS
hurrr...

TO ARGUE THAT CURRENT-GEN GAMES (SUCH AS MGS3 AND FFX WHICH *WERE NOT* DESIGNED FOR THE PS3) ARE AN APPROPRIATE MEASURE IS EQUIVALENT TO SODOMIZING BABY SEALS

We have been discussing the PS3 for the last, what, 3 or 4 pages? With a few blatherings of other crap mixed in, but the PS3's been the main focus.

How you missed this hugely abundant and obvious context is beyond me. But then again, that's what you get for going to bat for Jim ;D

SO! Go ahead and take a few moments to recontextualize what I've said, smoke a cig, have a drink and STAY IN SCHOOL O_O dddddddddddddddd

Timbo

[pebkac]

Someone's a bit testy tonight.

[Timbo]

Someone's a bit testy tonight.

VIDEO GAMES MADE ME DO IT

Timbo

[chook]

Ah, yes, because buying the console that looks most appealing to me (can anyone say Metal Gear Solid 4 or Final Fantasy XIII?) makes me a fanboi? I never said I wouldn't buy the Wii nor did I say it'll suck or anything like that. I think the Wii has some good things going for it but I would take the PS3 over it. While the Wii is innovative, Sony still has the games I want and like and until they go over to a different console, I'll stick to Sony.

I thought it was your love of hentai and WOW??

[chook]

so far reports are that DS's controller isnt as good as they showed. unfortunate. expect the "next gen" consoles to make better utilization, oh well. at least they get a dragon warrior game on release.

xbox should be pushing 120? titles by christmas. optimistic. id say 80 is probly a safer number but we'll see. btw lumines will be on live arcade, so there goes the only reason to buy a psp. the vista/live arcade connection might be interesting but i wouldnt expect anything mind blowing yet. this is still early on in this stage of gaming.

and ps3's low end system wont even have hd-out capabilities. laughable. sony fucked up big on their consoles. their saving grace is "japanese games made by japanese", but with the cost of making games increasing so much you wont be seeing as many console specific games. even gran turismo will release on 360 the same date its on ps3, and if im not mistaken i believe gta will be on 360 first ?



rev will drop at $250, xbox360(w/ hd et all) will be around $350 when ps3 hits, and ps3 will have limited supply and much higher cost. whats interesting is the 360 has been finally meeting/passing demands in supply so that stores can carry stock of them(couldnt find a 360 w/ hd in lubbock for a month).

thisll be interesting, especially knowing itll all basically go down around black friday.

Hodge, did you buy Dan's 360?

[chook]

sony manufactures every part of the ps3 in-house. saves them shitloads.

Sounds like 3Dfx!

[chook]

I love whoring out to the internet. And Rocky

[Timbo]

DRAMA!

*stirs*

Timbo

[FORSAKENR320]

DRAMA!

*stirs*

Timbo

Wii-sucks-Ps3-sucks-Xbox360-sucks.............






begin the barbrawl

[Spectatrix]

TO ARGUE THAT CURRENT-GEN GAMES (SUCH AS MGS3 AND FFX WHICH *WERE NOT* DESIGNED FOR THE PS3) ARE AN APPROPRIATE MEASURE IS EQUIVALENT TO SODOMIZING BABY SEALS

I'm well aware that this thread has turned into a discussion of PS3 and the proprietary Blu-Ray format. But you said:

You leave out one very important equation in this mess:

More Content == More Cost == Higher Prices

           

Timbo

Is this assertion somehow unique to PS3/Blu-Ray? If so, please explain how/why. It seems to me that your equation should apply to all console and PC games, if it's true. Jim gave an example of two games that cost the same but had vastly different amounts of content, which seems to bring your equation into question. Is that so hard to understand?

I understand quite well the context of this thread, but felt that your comment was not contextually specific. If you would like to restate your assertion and explain how it applied to PS3/Blu-Ray but NOT other consoles, then I will read what you have to say.

But for god's sake, cut it out with the BIG LETTERS and your ad hominem jabs, yeesh.

By the way, who changed the topic title? Will?

[Throwdown]

By the way, who changed the topic title? Will?

yes

[Jim]

Very large letters it is, then.

CONTEXT CLUES, YOU JAMOKE

WHAT IS THE CONSOLE THIS WHOLE MESS HAS BEEN ABOUT?
PS3

WHAT SORT OF DISC SYSTEM DOES THIS CONSOLE USE?
Blu-Ray

BECAUSE THIS DISC SYSTEM HAS MORE SPACE AND IT IS A PROPRIETARY FORMAT, THAT WILL MEAN HIGHER COSTS
hurrr... 

TO ARGUE THAT CURRENT-GEN GAMES (SUCH AS MGS3 AND FFX WHICH *WERE NOT* DESIGNED FOR THE PS3) ARE AN APPROPRIATE MEASURE IS EQUIVALENT TO SODOMIZING BABY SEALS

We have been discussing the PS3 for the last, what, 3 or 4 pages?  With a few blatherings of other crap mixed in, but the PS3's been the main focus.

How you missed this hugely abundant and obvious context is beyond me.  But then again, that's what you get for going to bat for Jim ;D

SO!  Go ahead and take a few moments to recontextualize what I've said, smoke a cig, have a drink and STAY IN SCHOOL O_O dddddddddddddddd

Timbo

Your "logic" would work if, and only if, precedence didn't prove it wrong.

[Jyan]

I just need to buy a cheap N64 and a good cache of games and I'll be good. Screw this "next gen" bullshit.

I'll get a dreamcast while I'm at it.

[Spectatrix]

I just need to buy a cheap N64 and a good cache of games and I'll be good. Screw this "next gen" bullshit.

I'll get a dreamcast while I'm at it.

[jonathan83]

i really want that Wii now