Guns Options

[impala454]

i think it's just knowing the potential for mass chaos exists with such objects.
knowing the complete inner workings of guns wouldn't change anything because the potential still lies in wait.

The potential still lies in wait? WTF kinda BS are you trying to make up? Did you smirk at yourself slyly in the mirror while you said that? And how does knowing the inner workings of the gun not change anything? They banned "semi-automatic assault weapon"s (SAWs, term coined by clinton's gang) based on looks, not operation. The operation of the weapon was exactly the same as that of a plain old deer rifle (save for the fact that the deer rifle is probably more accurate! They fire the same ammunition, with the same mechanism. So the "potential for chaos" as you put it, was identical, and yet one was banned and the other wasn't. Which is probably the reason the stupid ban was not renewed.

[impala454]

Black President = Scared Suburbanites

:-P

Black pres doesn't bother me, but Obama is a dumbass

[cmac]

The potential still lies in wait? WTF kinda BS are you trying to make up? Did you smirk at yourself slyly in the mirror while you said that? And how does knowing the inner workings of the gun not change anything? They banned "semi-automatic assault weapon"s (SAWs, term coined by clinton's gang) based on looks, not operation. The operation of the weapon was exactly the same as that of a plain old deer rifle (save for the fact that the deer rifle is probably more accurate! They fire the same ammunition, with the same mechanism. So the "potential for chaos" as you put it, was identical, and yet one was banned and the other wasn't. Which is probably the reason the stupid ban was not renewed.

it's humorous how angry this topic makes rednecks. and i use that term loosely. guns and jesus. it's like the "go" button to piss off anyone with a confederate flag on their pickup truck. funny. it's like global warming for liberals.

yes. the potential still lies in wait for mass chaos to happen. if some dude walks into a crowd and sprays 60 bullets, i'm willing to bet he might hit quite a few.
with a rifle: bang bang. pause. whistle Dixie. reload. bang bang. pause. tackled. chaos over.
Are these scenarios different in your mind?

I understand we don't live in a world like Halo where these are daily occurrences, but the potential still exists. I don't understand the practicality in a daily world of owning an automatic weapon. You're not on the front lines in Iraq. Not fighting a war. There are no zombies on the street. Just doesn't make much sense to me. WHy do you need the potential to kill 20 people in 10 seconds?

Other than your idea that the "criminals" have them so we need to one up the "criminals?" Right? Isn't that you guy's rational? Correct me if i'm wrong.
So what's next? Do you need machine guns to combat the ak47? then bazookas to combat the machine guns? Then tanks to combat the bazookas? Then nukes to combat the tanks? Cause you are right that the "criminals" will find a way regardless or the laws. It's just like the 9mm just weren't good enough

knowing the inner workings of a weapon means nothing to me. knowing about muzzles and pistons and chambers and hammers and ammunition and springs and barrels have no effect on the loss of life outcome.

[cmac]

but scenario 2 exists for the most part now, and how often do you hear of such cases vs. cases where bodies pile up? rarely does someone want to be the hero. sans the south where people hope daily for such a scenario.

[cmac]

perhaps.
what are the concealed carry laws in texas vs other states? aren't they very lapse in texas vs others?

[Spectatrix]

perhaps.
what are the concealed carry laws in texas vs other states? aren't they very lapse in texas vs others?

Texas will issue concealed carry permits to both residents and non-residents. Texas is one of only seven states (+DC) where open carry is explicitly prohibited except under limited circumstances (on own property, hunting, self-defense). Most states, including Texas, are "shall issue" CCL states, whereas some are "may issue". Vermont and Alaska allow non-felons of a certain age to carry concealed without a permit. Wisconsin and Illinois prohibit concealed carry entirely.

So no, I wouldn't say that Texas' gun laws are lax compared to other states. Their prohibition of open carry actually makes them more restrictive than most.

[chook]

Texas will issue concealed carry permits to both residents and non-residents. Texas is one of only seven states (+DC) where open carry is explicitly prohibited except under limited circumstances (on own property, hunting, self-defense). Most states, including Texas, are "shall issue" CCL states, whereas some are "may issue". Vermont and Alaska allow non-felons of a certain age to carry concealed without a permit. Wisconsin and Illinois prohibit concealed carry entirely.

So no, I wouldn't say that Texas' gun laws are lax compared to other states. Their prohibition of open carry actually makes them more restrictive than most.

I think that concealed carry is better than open carry. It seems to provoke people when they see guns being carried.

yes. the potential still lies in wait for mass chaos to happen. if some dude walks into a crowd and sprays 60 bullets, i'm willing to bet he might hit quite a few.
with a rifle: bang bang. pause. whistle Dixie. reload. bang bang. pause. tackled. chaos over.
Are these scenarios different in your mind?

Problem is, that the whole thing was based on how "intimidating" the gun was, not about what its firepower was. The is the problem with the feel good approach and not a logical one.

[impala454]

it's humorous how angry this topic makes rednecks. and i use that term loosely. guns and jesus. it's like the "go" button to piss off anyone with a confederate flag on their pickup truck. funny. it's like global warming for liberals.

I'm not angry or a redneck and do not have a confederate flag on my pickup truck. And this topic has nothing to do with Jesus. What's humorous is that you think you have an understanding when you have no clue, as illustrated below.

yes. the potential still lies in wait for mass chaos to happen. if some dude walks into a crowd and sprays 60 bullets, i'm willing to bet he might hit quite a few.
with a rifle: bang bang. pause. whistle Dixie. reload. bang bang. pause. tackled. chaos over.
Are these scenarios different in your mind?

This is where exactly what I said above matters. You clearly have no idea how these guns operate. An AK47 and a plain old rifle both do the same thing. You say "rifle=bang bang, pause whistle dixie, reload" wrong. You can jam another clip into a hunting rifle just as quickly as you can on an AK47.

I understand we don't live in a world like Halo where these are daily occurrences, but the potential still exists. I don't understand the practicality in a daily world of owning an automatic weapon. You're not on the front lines in Iraq. Not fighting a war. There are no zombies on the street. Just doesn't make much sense to me. WHy do you need the potential to kill 20 people in 10 seconds?

Again, you don't have a friggin clue what you're talking about. An AK47 that you go to the store and buy is not an automatic weapon. You cannot legally own a fully automatic weapon without very special licensing.

Other than your idea that the "criminals" have them so we need to one up the "criminals?" Right? Isn't that you guy's rational? Correct me if i'm wrong.
So what's next? Do you need machine guns to combat the ak47? then bazookas to combat the machine guns? Then tanks to combat the bazookas? Then nukes to combat the tanks? Cause you are right that the "criminals" will find a way regardless or the laws. It's just like the 9mm just weren't good enough

Why on earth do you have the continued idea that a fight between someone and a criminal is supposed to be fair? These guns have been around for 50+ years, and the escalation you're talking about has not happened at all. In fact, it's declined from the truly, fully automatic thompson guns which got carried around by gangsters way back in the day.

knowing the inner workings of a weapon means nothing to me. knowing about muzzles and pistons and chambers and hammers and ammunition and springs and barrels have no effect on the loss of life outcome.

That much is obvious. Your ignorance of the topic is clearly displayed here. But you do not have to know the inner workings of them. I can teach a five year old the difference between a semi-automatic and a fully-automatic weapon. I suppose a five year old will actually listen to reason though.

[THECHICKEN]

UT tower sniper, columbine, virginia tech.... can anyone tell me how these three incidents were similar?


(i'll give you a hint, it has to do with the guns used)

[cmac]

An AK47 and a plain old rifle both do the same thing. You say "rifle=bang bang, pause whistle dixie, reload" wrong. You can jam another clip into a hunting rifle just as quickly as you can on an AK47.

I dunno. The rifles I have shot (i'll pause while you pick up your jaw.........................) were 3-6 shots and then a reloading of the ammo.
The AK I shot (pause again...................................) fired off several rounds nonstop.
I'm not seeing a similarity.
But whatever.

UT tower sniper, columbine, virginia tech.... can anyone tell me how these three incidents were similar?
(i'll give you a hint, it has to do with the guns used)

please explain. i know semi automatics were used in columbine.
side note: i drove through the parking lot there the other day. just out of curiosity I suppose. a somewhat surreal experience.

[impala454]

I dunno. The rifles I have shot (i'll pause while you pick up your jaw.........................) were 3-6 shots and then a reloading of the ammo.

Yeah, then go spend $10 and buy a larger magazine... whoopty do now you have a 30 round magazine! I can get a 50 round drum for my .45 pistol. Magazine size is irrelevant anyways. It takes all of 2 seconds to jam another magazine in there. Just like a pistol, or any other semi automatic weapon in existence.

The AK I shot (pause again...................................) fired off several rounds nonstop.
I'm not seeing a similarity.
But whatever.

Then either
A. you shot an illegal weapon
B. the person who owned the gun had the permit to own it (rare, because people who get those permits dont waste their time with AKs, they're getting machine guns and shit)
C. you still don't know wtf you're talking about and are making up bullshit anecdotes like you always do to try to make yourself look correct (but yes, I knoooooww you were there! you did do it that way! btw your counter-strike playing days don't count. ).

Let me go with the 5 year old semi vs fully explanation:
Semi-Automatic = pull the trigger, one round is fired, no matter what you do. To fire another round you must pull the trigger again
Fully-Automatic = pull the trigger and hold it, gun continues to fire until it runs out of ammo or you release the trigger. These require a class 3 federal firearms license

Fully automatic weapons are overrated anyways. Other than weapons that are mounted to a vehicle, the military barely uses them anymore. It's a waste of ammo and very inaccurate. Would I love to shoot one? Sure, would be fun.

[cmac]

your backwards insults and useless accusations do nothing to forward a rational discussion

fyi

[THECHICKEN]

I dunno. The rifles I have shot (i'll pause while you pick up your jaw.........................) were 3-6 shots and then a reloading of the ammo.
The AK I shot (pause again...................................) fired off several rounds nonstop.
I'm not seeing a similarity.
But whatever.



please explain. i know semi automatics were used in columbine.
side note: i drove through the parking lot there the other day. just out of curiosity I suppose. a somewhat surreal experience.

SHOTGUNS are semi-automatic. Thats not what we were talking about. We were talking about scary "assault rifles" which WERE NOT used. one semi-auto pistol, one small carbine rifle, and shot guns were used in columbine. None were assault rifles.

So your whole argument of deer rifles etc. not causing "chaos" is just stupid fyi.

[cmac]

geez, you guys are on fire.
all i said about a rifle was that it might be a pain in the ass to fire 6 shots, then reload.
i don't know much about guns and scare factor. they're all just guns to me.

relax people. it's like i just insulted your mother.

edit: at columbine, a TEC-9 semi-automatic assualt weapon with a 52 round, 32 round, and 28 round clip was used. in addition to other weapons.

This post has been edited by cmac: Aug 4 2009, 10:47 PM

[THECHICKEN]

geez, you guys are on fire.
all i said about a rifle was that it might be a pain in the ass to fire 6 shots, then reload.
i don't know much about guns and scare factor. they're all just guns to me.

relax people. it's like i just insulted your mother.

edit: at columbine, a TEC-9 semi-automatic assualt weapon with a 52 round, 32 round, and 28 round clip was used. in addition to other weapons.

Besides the fact that those clip sizes don't exist (cept the 32), Per this site: http://acolumbinesite.com/weapon.html the kid with the 9mm rifle that only holds 10 round clips fired FAR more rounds than kid with tec. Plus its a pistol, all pistols hold a moderately large amount in a clip that can be changed quickly. Whether its a pistol with 15 rounds which is common, or 50, the "reload time" takes away from shooting for about.... oh 4 seconds. Virginia tech the kid had a 9mm and .22 pistol and killed more. Clip size has been shown in PLENTY of cases to be irrelevant. UT sniper had dear rifles and killed tons... but omg, you said he could've been easily tackled after a few shots... what happened????

I know those guns look "scary" to you, but your argument of them being "automatic" is false, and the argument over clip size is also unfounded. Clinton limited clip sizes and it did nothing but make clips with higher capacity more expensive.