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[FORSAKENR320]

yea, it's ytmnd.com it's blocked at work, i had to visit it through a proxy

[impala454]

so... uh... without giving any of the story away....

wtf?? the whole story is different...

great flick though

[Aaron]

so... uh... without giving any of the story away....

wtf?? the whole story is different...

great flick though

I'm going to venture into spoiler territory here, so if you haven't seen the movie and wish to remain pure go ahead and skip this.









Things are different because of the alternate timeline created when the Narada and Spock's ship went through the anomaly. From that point, beginning with the destruction of the Kelvin, events began to unfold differently.

The only thing that I'm not exactly sure that alternate timeline deal explains away is the relationship between Spock and Uhura. But it isn't something that I'm up in arms about.

[impala454]

again, spoiler response so stay away from the rest of this message:




















yeah I realize what happened, just saying it ended with it that way. so unless they have a movie that "fixes" the timeline then it doesn't make sense. unless they plan some whole new series of movies with this as its base story (which is a little hokey if you ask me). oh well, as I said I still thought it was an awesome flick.

[THECHICKEN]

This one was done so they could revive movies etc again.

[pysex]

it was really good

i want sulu's sword

[Aaron]

Yeah, moving forward, all of the movies (and presumably any future TV shows) will be set in this new Abramsverse.

[THECHICKEN]

sulu's sword?... wow that sounds stupidly gay

[THECHICKEN]

Just saw it.... wow


what an unnessesary movie. Throw in special effects and unnessary bullshit (who's good at hand to hand combat? ... cuz though you have phasers and ample time to use them, we'll need to introduce a retarded sword fight). The story makes no sense (besides the kirk's timeline change at very start when enemy comes through, the rest of the story of creating the "alternate universe" for JJ to play in, could have been done in a more believable way). The romulans didn't look like romulans, and the bad guys were boring in general... even with a wannabe Spock/Khan yell. The reason for them being bad guys just didn't do it for me.

Characters were VERY well casted (chekov was only one i might change), and i loved the acting... but story line BLEW. Acting good, storyline on par with ... Nemesis maybe. Well at least now maybe they can get some good stories written for this awesome new cast (simon peg lolol) and I can enjoy other movies. Oh and the eating an apple... really?

[impala454]

The one thing that's really stupid in just about all time travelling stories is that it never clicks to them that they could just use the time travel to solve whatever dilemma they're in.

I.e. this one: Spock doesn't save Romulus... Nero upset... Nero decides to go back in time and destroy Vulcan? Uh... hello dumbass, go back in time and tell Spock to hurry his ass up and save Romulus instead, since he f'd up the first time.

Star Trek Generations: Picard is in the "nexus" and can go anywhere he wants to try to stop Sauron. He decides to go back to the planet with Kirk, where they barely have a chance to stop him. When he could have just gone back to the Enterprise, when Sauron was on the damn ship standing right in front of him with him and his crew of 1,000. Or even gone back a day before, before he blew up that other star.

Back to the Future I: Marty decides to try to go back in time 10 extra minutes to save the doc... WTF? How about a day or two beforehand dumbass? Or a year? Perhaps before he met the Libyan terrorists??

Back to the Future II: Doc comes back in time to bring Marty to the future to help his kids? Uh, dipshit, just tell him what happens. WTF is the point of going forward into the future, preventing something, then going back to the present where said event hasn't even occured yet?

[THECHICKEN]

exactly.

Using a rogue unknown antagonist who comes through and destroys timeline SOMEWHAT (just enough to have new series of movies) would have been just fine, instead they destroy a TON of the universe unnessarily and add in a bunch of stupid shit. Hell i could think of a new reason for a time change and better story line in about 5 minutes that would've made me A HUGE FAN of this movie. This story line just reminded me of a Nemesis "reason" to be a bad guy... unneeded.

Meh. Great potential for future stuff, this story just fell short to me (i guess i could say the same about most of the star trek movies of the past too).

[Aaron]

Just saw it.... wow


what an unnessesary movie. Throw in special effects and unnessary bullshit (who's good at hand to hand combat? ... cuz though you have phasers and ample time to use them, we'll need to introduce a retarded sword fight). The story makes no sense (besides the kirk's timeline change at very start when enemy comes through, the rest of the story of creating the "alternate universe" for JJ to play in, could have been done in a more believable way). The romulans didn't look like romulans, and the bad guys were boring in general... even with a wannabe Spock/Khan yell. The reason for them being bad guys just didn't do it for me.

Characters were VERY well casted (chekov was only one i might change), and i loved the acting... but story line BLEW. Acting good, storyline on par with ... Nemesis maybe. Well at least now maybe they can get some good stories written for this awesome new cast (simon peg lolol) and I can enjoy other movies. Oh and the eating an apple... really?

The plot is nowhere near as tight as it should have been, no question. I do not disagree with you at all here. It was mentioned in the movie that the Narada was a mining vessel, but aside from the drilling platform, it might as well have been a warship. I mean, you say 'mining vessel' and I think clunky, boxy, very few weapons, etc.

Where did Nero go for 25 years between destroying the Kelvin and capturing Spock? Surely somebody would have noticed them.

Unless the star that went supernova is the one that Romulus orbits, it should not have been threatened by it at all. I'm no physicist, but if some distant star goes supernova, it might douse us with radiation but it's not going to roll through our solar system all dramatic like and blow the planet apart.

Further, to neutralize the supernova, Spock was going to toss the red matter into the 'center' of the supernova. Uh... a supernova is an explosion, with (presumably) a shockwave that expands from that point on. There is no center.

As far as red matter goes, if that little teency bit was enough to neutralize the supernova, where was the logic of putting a shit ton of it on the ship?

There's lots more.

Couple of notes, though... as far as the Romulans not looking like Romulans, aside from cosmetic differences (more on that in a sec), they looked pretty much identical to Vulcans. Which, since they share a common ancestry, is not a big stretch. The cosmetic differences, the facial tattoos and mangled ears, were explained in the officially sanctioned countdown comic to be Romulan symbols of mourning. That was never explained in the movie, though.

Kirk eating an apple during the Kobayashi Maru scene was a nod to the Trek fans. Kirk was eating an apple in Star Trek II when he was telling Saavik how he beat the test.

Ultimately, I will judge this film based on the sequel. Abrams accomplished the three things with this movie that I thought he absolutely had to get done:
1) The film has been commercially successful enough to where a sequel has been or soon will be given the greenlight.

2) The casting, as you noted, was perfect. George Lucas didn't even have to recast anybody for his Star Wars prequels, and look how much shit he got over some of those casting choices. No one is questioning Abrams' choices, they were all spot on.

3) Attract an audience of people who have not been Trek fans in the past, get them interested in the characters and the universe. This was more of an action movie set in the Star Trek universe than it was a Star Trek movie. I certainly don't expect for there to be a significant number of people who weren't fans the first time to go back and revisit The Original Series or The Next Generation, etc. But when the next movie comes out, they'll go see it. If they come out with a TV show, they'll probably give it a shot.

[THECHICKEN]

Yeah, see other than the ears they didn't look like the vulcans to me... but i guess i just didn't see it, that wasn't that big of a deal.

But yeah, im with you on the movie accomplishing certain things. This movie just makes me want to FORGET it so that i can see the next ones that will hopefully be better since they don't have to explain how the series gets started. But WHY did he destroy such a big thing when he didn't have to?

[Psykopath]

Just got back from seeing it at the drive-in.

1.) Perfect casting. (especially Bones...Karl Urban ftw)
2.) Time-traveling story lines never make perfect logical (lol...logical...silly Vulcans) sense. Just go with the flow, and if you get from A to B in a reasonably understandable fashion, you're good to go.
3.) I was always just a casual Trek fan. This film drew me further in.

Mission accomplished.

[Aaron]

But WHY did he destroy such a big thing when he didn't have to?

I think for a couple of reasons...

1.) Because "This is not your father's Star Trek." Think about it. From the beginning of The Original Series in 1966 to the end of Enterprise in 2005, how many "Oh, fuck, they just did that!" moments were there that were not reset in some manner? Because when Vulcan got sucked into that hole, I definitely went, "Oh, fuck, they just did that!"

I can only think of Tasha Yar's death during the first season of The Next Generation that might fit into that category, but I don't think her death had the same magnitude. Spock died in Wrath of Khan, and was a definite "OFTJDT!" moment at the time, but he was resurrected in the next movie. Jadzia Dax was killed in the second-to-last season of Deep Space Nine but the character was resurrected (different actress) the next season. Data died in Star Trek: Nemesis, but the implication at the end of the movie was that his downloaded memory (or whatever) in B4 would eventually surface.

There has always been a big, fat "Reset" button in Star Trek that has pretty much been used at every turn. And I don't think that is nearly as entertaining as when there are consequences.

2.) Gives creative team further license to continue to push the boundaries with Spock.

3.) Probable plot tie-in of some magnitude for the sequel, but who knows at what level.