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FORSAKENR320
post Sep 27 2008, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE (Billy @ Sep 27 2008, 09:43 PM) *
Unfortunately, that is not true. I have died in my dreams on several occasions. None of them watching myself die.

First time: Was falling into the grand canyon. Hit ground along side river. Dream went black for some amount of unknown time. Came to, got up walked some ways. Dream ended.

Second time: On a naval ship in a battle. Explosion knocked me into ocean. Was eaten by shark. Took awhile to die. Dream was black yet still was aware and questioned why I still had conscienceness. After a small amount of time of being incapacitated (no sight or sound) and bored, woke up.

Third time: Some sort of civil war era conflict. My squadron was ambushed and I was shot dead. Again, dream went black, but this time it restarted. Same dream but this time I tried something different. This happened several times in a Groundhog day like scenario until I eventually just fled the battlefield and survived. After short time of walking down a road, I awoke.

This does seem to be uncommon as I have yet to find anyone else with a similar experience. I do find it annoying of all the horribly wrong theories about what happens when one dies in a dream, though.


from what you're saying it doesn't disagree with what i said. even though you died, you still had some sort of awareness. and in those instances where you claim you "went black" you got up and walked away afterwards.


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post Sep 27 2008, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Sep 27 2008, 11:35 PM) *
from what you're saying it doesn't disagree with what i said. even though you died, you still had some sort of awareness. and in those instances where you claim you "went black" you got up and walked away afterwards.


Correction: The first and third I did not have some kind of awareness. The second and third I did not get up and walk away.

Sorry to have burst your bubble.






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Though I have a feeling what this is going to turn into. Your belief doesn't exactly match up to what happens in reality. Instead of accepting reality, you're going to try to tear it down because you can't accept that your belief can be wrong. This happens all the time. Mostly with religion though, so don't feel bad for following in their footsteps.


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post Sep 27 2008, 11:07 PM
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QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Sep 27 2008, 03:53 PM) *
I died in a dream once. It woke me up.


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post Sep 27 2008, 11:09 PM
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QUOTE (The Fanatic @ Sep 27 2008, 06:36 PM) *
How do you know you actually died in your dream if you never experienced death?


well unless one normally lives after falling off a 30-40 story building and hitting the concrete face first, then I'm pretty sure I died. not to mention getting shot in the face, etc. I've died in dreams many times tongue.gif. Though one of them I wasn't really sure, there was this weird alien ship coming down, and kinda zapped the whole landscape where I was standing with a group of people, and I instantly felt paralyzed and in pain, so not sure if I died that time laugh.gif
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post Sep 28 2008, 12:29 AM
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QUOTE (Billy @ Sep 27 2008, 11:52 PM) *
Correction: The first and third I did not have some kind of awareness. The second and third I did not get up and walk away.

Sorry to have burst your bubble.






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Though I have a feeling what this is going to turn into. Your belief doesn't exactly match up to what happens in reality. Instead of accepting reality, you're going to try to tear it down because you can't accept that your belief can be wrong. This happens all the time. Mostly with religion though, so don't feel bad for following in their footsteps.



argue sematics all you like, i'm not going to take the bait like impala always does. you did one or the other in each of those situations, both go back to the exact thing i said.


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post Sep 28 2008, 12:30 AM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ Sep 28 2008, 12:09 AM) *
there was this weird alien ship coming down, and kinda zapped the whole landscape where I was standing with a group of people, and I instantly felt paralyzed and in pain, so not sure if I died that time laugh.gif


did you wake up with a sore butthole? it might not have been a dream.... winky.gif


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QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Sep 28 2008, 01:29 AM) *
argue sematics all you like, i'm not going to take the bait like impala always does. you did one or the other in each of those situations, both go back to the exact thing i said.


Well the third dream did neither of the two things you said. Explain that one.


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post Sep 28 2008, 04:01 PM
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If you have never experienced death then you can not fathom death and therefore can not dream that you died.


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You can dream that you died in a third person point of view, like an out of body experience. It would be the same thing as dreaming that a friend or relative died. You watch yourself die and you see the effects it has on other people. You cannot, however, dream in a first person fashion that you died. You don't know what death feels like. Unless you look at yourself from the outside, you cannot know you are dead.
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post Sep 28 2008, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE (Mommy @ Sep 28 2008, 05:19 PM) *
You can dream that you died in a third person point of view, like an out of body experience. It would be the same thing as dreaming that a friend or relative died. You watch yourself die and you see the effects it has on other people. You cannot, however, dream in a first person fashion that you died. You don't know what death feels like. Unless you look at yourself from the outside, you cannot know you are dead.



Yeah exactly.


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[sarcasm] Well, I guess in my dreams I experienced a scenario that would have normally killed me but I went to sleep instead...[/sarcasm]

On a more serious note, it is entirely possible for your mind to simulate what it believes to be death. It is possible to imagine an experience without actually knowing for sure what that experience is like. For instance, I have had dreams of experiencing sex (unlike Will) before I had actually had sex. It is not so much that you cannot dream of dying. But is your dream accurate? Well, without knowing what death is really like, that is impossible to say for sure. But it is possible for your mind to try. In my case, and likely many others, it has.

But either way, the random guy that wrote the theory that our minds cannot imagine a world without us in it doesn't seem right to me. I have had dreams where I was not a character in the dream. The third-person type dream, except I was able to watch multiple characters and none of them were me.

Either way, it's moot. I think the only direction we can go from here is you telling me how dreaming about sex is different than dreaming about death and totally missing the point of the post. Or you can be totally original and in spite of the previous claim jokingly tell me how dreaming about sex is different than dreaming about death because you think you're funny. But I think we should all take a lesson from Brandon and just post blasphemy.


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post Sep 28 2008, 09:52 PM
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The DECENCY!!!!! mad.gif


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post Sep 28 2008, 10:37 PM
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Why are you guys so caught up on telling us we can't die in a dream?
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post Sep 28 2008, 11:12 PM
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Why so serious?


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QUOTE (impala454 @ Sep 28 2008, 11:37 PM) *
Why are you guys so caught up on telling us we can't die in a dream?

Ditto.

I'm still trying to figure this one out. I mean, I can see their point to an extent, but it's being taken into much more murky philosophical waters than it truly needs to be.


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post Sep 29 2008, 08:26 AM
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Well it's the whole "nuh uh, you didn't dream that! it's impossible because I say so" stuff that gets me... sheesh.
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