Sarah Palin:, "our leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God" Options

[The Fanatic]

The real question:


Is a non practicing Christian a Christian at all?

[impala454]

I think when she said that, she meant she believes it but she doesn't go to church or pray or blah blah etc etc.

[pysex]

You're closed minded. I don't know about scientologists, as I've never known one, but one of my better friends in college was mormon. He was an awesome person and perhaps one of the more popular RAs I worked with. Just because your experience with them is some kids on bikes in suits waking you up after some wasted Friday night doesn't mean they're all terrible people.

Blue if you're reading this, you remember Larry G. right?

was he the RA for 3rd short in clement one year?

if so he was my RA...mormon dude....pretty cool guy

[impala454]

yeap that's him.

[chook]

You spelled something wrong... just thought I would let you know since you always correct me. Fix "politician's"

Anyway, this all reminds me of a comedy routine by Dane Cook. He is Catholic and he had an encounter with an atheist. Kinda long to explain but the the atheist was basically laughing at him for having faith. That's how most atheists are.

I think it was Vicious Circle? My complaint against some atheist I meet treat me belief as something ignorant. I sometimes retort that they are to egotistical that they cannot comprehend something can exist greater than themselves. If someone has personal conviction that there is no higher being, then I can just feel sorry for them and be their friend.

I remember Christine was doing some more pagan practices a while back.

[The Fanatic]

I think when she said that, she meant she believes it but she doesn't go to church or pray or blah blah etc etc.

Yeah but if praying builds your relationship with God and you don't pray. Do you even have a relationship with God?

[pysex]

yeap that's him.

i don't know if you remember the infamous sphinx, but one time we had organized a room party and began smuggling boozahols in various colored trashbags into the dorms....

larry caught us when he stepped out (i guess to go to the bathroom) and just looked at us with a long pause....and then said "oh hey alex what's up"

then went on his way


we stood there frozen in complete disbelief

[impala454]

Yeah but if praying builds your relationship with God and you don't pray. Do you even have a relationship with God?

Believing in God and that Jesus is his son is what makes you a Christian. Everything else is just denominational.

[The Fanatic]

Define belief?

I thought it was acceptance, faith, and a relationship with jesus christ.


I could believe that Jesus existed but that does not mean I accept him as my savior.

If a Christian does not practice his faith does he even have faith in the first place?

[impala454]

i don't know if you remember the infamous sphinx, but one time we had organized a room party and began smuggling boozahols in various colored trashbags into the dorms....

larry caught us when he stepped out (i guess to go to the bathroom) and just looked at us with a long pause....and then said "oh hey alex what's up"

then went on his way


we stood there frozen in complete disbelief

My residents all thought they got away with so much shit... was just fielder's indifference

I recall james (forgot what it was everyone called him) and billy and loovis and the other 2-3 people in that little circle all came to me at the end of the year and tried to brag about the stuff they'd gotten away with... I'd cut them off in the middle of each story with "... the time you brought a keg up?" "... the XXth time you smoked in your room?" and they instantly realized just how lax I was

The only guy I really ever wrote up all the time was that dipshit hick down the long hall that always had like 10 open bottles of beer sitting on his desk with his door wide open.

[impala454]

Define belief?

I thought it was acceptance, faith, and a relationship with jesus christ.


I could believe that Jesus existed but that does not mean I accept him as my savior.

If a Christian does not practice his faith does he even have faith in the first place?

Belief is exactly what I said, you believe that Jesus is the son of God (not just that he existed, pretty much everybody believes he existed) and he died for your sins (a.k.a. accepting him as your savior). That's it, there's nothing more to it. you can go murder 5 year olds the rest of your life and you're still going to heaven. but if you've really accepted the belief, murdering 5 year olds won't exactly be in your repetoire.

[Billy]

Read a post I already read and explained what the actual saying/intent was?

There's a difference between explaining what someone said, and spinning what someone said.

Even though you don't seem to understand that difference.

[impala454]

Let me backtrack since you're become completely lost as to what you're even responding to.

1. you think Sarah Palin's comment means she thinks God came down and told our leaders to invade Iraq. So you make this thread, thinking you've hit some monumental point that should change the face of the election.
2. I respond and explain why I don't believe that's what she said or meant. I have in effect already said what I believe in this post
3. you continue to embellish what you think, over the top and obviously not what Palin said "divine beings visiting and telling you to invade a country".
4. I comment that you simply don't understand what she meant (most likely you're not religious and don't undersand how religious people speak, nothing wrong with that)
5. you refer me to blue's post and call me retarded (blue's post doesn't say anything except repeating the OP and your thoughts, which I have already responded to twice.
6. I call you out for your retarded comment
7. you seemed to think your reference to blue's post was something new
8. I let you know I had already read his post and said my piece
9. now, your most recent post, has nothing to do with anything and basically takes us back to #1. I don't care to repeat the cycle. So you go on believing that Sarah Palin believes our leaders were physically visited by God (in some White House meeting no doubt) and that he told them they should invade Iraq. Because it was just totally coincidental that Saddam Hussein decided to defy UN regulations and allow weapons inspectors in for the five years previous.

I would love to continue to debate the topic if you found some new angle to view her statement at. Rehashing the same shit over and over gets boring.

[Billy]

Let me backtrack since you're become completely lost as to what you're even responding to.

1. you think Sarah Palin's comment means she thinks God came down and told our leaders to invade Iraq. So you make this thread, thinking you've hit some monumental point that should change the face of the election.
2. I respond and explain why I don't believe that's what she said or meant. I have in effect already said what I believe in this post
3. you continue to embellish what you think, over the top and obviously not what Palin said "divine beings visiting and telling you to invade a country".
4. I comment that you simply don't understand what she meant (most likely you're not religious and don't undersand how religious people speak, nothing wrong with that)
5. you refer me to blue's post and call me retarded (blue's post doesn't say anything except repeating the OP and your thoughts, which I have already responded to twice.
6. I call you out for your retarded comment
7. you seemed to think your reference to blue's post was something new
8. I let you know I had already read his post and said my piece
9. now, your most recent post, has nothing to do with anything and basically takes us back to #1. I don't care to repeat the cycle. So you go on believing that Sarah Palin believes our leaders were physically visited by God (in some White House meeting no doubt) and that he told them they should invade Iraq. Because it was just totally coincidental that Saddam Hussein decided to defy UN regulations and allow weapons inspectors in for the five years previous.

I would love to continue to debate the topic if you found some new angle to view her statement at. Rehashing the same shit over and over gets boring.

#5: In case you missed it, I am the original poster.

I now see the problem: You have made a whole lot of assumptions, of which are wrong. Your very first assumption is that you think, that I think, she thinks, that God came down, yadda yadda yadda. Personally, I don't care what she thinks. My beef with her is not what she thinks. My beef with her is what she said. Using religion to justify the acts of man is down right insulting. And you can try to spin it however you want (which isn't working on anyone but yourself), but she did in fact, 100%, use God to justify the actions of our leaders. Whether those actions are right or wrong is irrelevant. If she actually believes the things she has said, now that is just crazy. And I honestly feel that our government has enough crazies.

Also, I do hope you realize the irony of #9. Talking about Saddam Hussein's weapons has absolutely nothing to do with Sarah Palin's quote. This is not a topic about the war in Iraq. This has little to do with the war in Iraq. This is about Sarah Palin's character. Sigh. Idiot.

[impala454]

#5: In case you missed it, I am the original poster.

Where in #5 did I say or even imply that you're not the OP? OP = original post not original poster

I now see the problem: You have made a whole lot of assumptions, of which are wrong. Your very first assumption is that you think, that I think, she thinks, that God came down, yadda yadda yadda.

I didn't assume anything, I read it directly from your post:

Because last I checked, a divine being has yet to visit me and tell me he wants me to invade another country. I am highly skeptical of those who claim they've had a different experience.

Personally, I don't care what she thinks.

You don't? :

I cannot, with any sense of morality and what is right, support the empowering of a religious nut.

Sounds to me like you care a great deal. And if you didn't have a problem with what she thinks, only what she said, then why would you pin her as a religious nut?

My beef with her is not what she thinks. My beef with her is what she said. Using religion to justify the acts of man is down right insulting. And you can try to spin it however you want (which isn't working on anyone but yourself), but she did in fact, 100%, use God to justify the actions of our leaders. Whether those actions are right or wrong is irrelevant. If she actually believes the things she has said, now that is just crazy. And I honestly feel that our government has enough crazies.

But your beef is based on your misunderstanding of what she said.

Also, I do hope you realize the irony of #9. Talking about Saddam Hussein's weapons has absolutely nothing to do with Sarah Palin's quote. This is not a topic about the war in Iraq. This has little to do with the war in Iraq. This is about Sarah Palin's character.

1. How does saying something that (in your opinion) has absolutely nothing to do with the quote = irony? Or were you just looking for buzzwords to toss in to make yourself feel smarter?
2. It has everything to do with her quote because it's the reason we went there. Sarah Palin knows that and doesn't think it was due to a divine entity's visit. She believes it was the right thing to do and that it was God's will. But believing that an action is doing God's will doesn't mean or even imply that a divine visit is what pre-empted that action. See the difference?

Sigh. Idiot.

Oooh man what a great comeback! I hope your boy Obama uses that one when he debates (if he will ever accept a debate).