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post Aug 24 2008, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE (jwttu @ Aug 23 2008, 09:27 AM) *
his mouth has already gotten him in trouble


http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Multim...42-ed853838cd88
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post Aug 24 2008, 09:02 PM
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Heres the comment that Jonathan is referring to:
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"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice looking guy...I mean, that's a storybook, man.''


http://www.observer.com/2007/arts-culture/...n-obama-edwards

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post Aug 25 2008, 08:04 AM
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I think this pretty much seals the deal for McCain.

Obama/Biden is an urban, north/east, fairly divisive ticket. I just don't see it happening.


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post Aug 25 2008, 08:18 AM
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i think it seals the deal for obama.
especially if mccain chooses romney.


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post Aug 25 2008, 09:09 AM
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QUOTE (cmac @ Aug 25 2008, 09:18 AM) *
i think it seals the deal for obama.
especially if mccain chooses romney.


I don't see it that way at all. You still have a ton of pissed of Democrats who wanted Hillary and do not like Biden who may throw their votes toward Nader. I also think there is more to come from the Rezko ordeal.


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post Aug 25 2008, 09:53 AM
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Biden's RIAA and FBI record: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10024163-38.html


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post Aug 25 2008, 09:57 AM
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too bad he didn't chose ron paul
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post Aug 25 2008, 10:01 AM
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biden's riaa record scares me. one of the things i like most about obama is his technology voting record, so hopefully he will counter that.


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biden is a pheg
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post Aug 25 2008, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE (cmac @ Aug 25 2008, 09:18 AM) *
i think it seals the deal for obama.

what makes you think so?
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post Aug 25 2008, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ Aug 25 2008, 12:45 PM) *
what makes you think so?


Obama could have died in a plane crash and he would have said this.


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post Aug 25 2008, 02:31 PM
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yeah I know, just wanted to hear if actually had any reason to think so
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we need a vice president who isn't afraid to call the republicans out. i feel as if the vice president somewhat fills that role and john edwards didn't do any of that 4 years ago. the democrats problem with elections is never being on the offense, but always defending and it's been proven to not work recently.
he counteracts everything that obama is not. for example biden is for the death penalty, and obama is not. if someone was using that alone to not vote for obama, then maybe now they could reconsider.
he actually has a reasonable plan to bring the troops home and leave iraq stable. he provides the experience that everyone seems to be holding over obama's head. obama may be admitting a weakness by choosing biden, and that is what a politician should do. admit where he's weak and attack it. still think that hillary would have been a better choice, but biden would have been my second. curious to see what mccain does now.

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post Aug 25 2008, 06:14 PM
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QUOTE (cmac @ Aug 25 2008, 04:09 PM) *
we need a vice president who isn't afraid to call the republicans out. i feel as if the vice president somewhat fills that role and john edwards didn't do any of that 4 years ago. the democrats problem with elections is never being on the offense, but always defending and it's been proven to not work recently.
he counteracts everything that obama is not. for example biden is for the death penalty, and obama is not. if someone was using that alone to not vote for obama, then maybe now they could reconsider.
he actually has a reasonable plan to bring the troops home and leave iraq stable. he provides the experience that everyone seems to be holding over obama's head. obama may be admitting a weakness by choosing biden, and that is what a politician should do. admit where he's weak and attack it. still think that hillary would have been a better choice, but biden would have been my second. curious to see what mccain does now.


Do we also need a vice president who doesn't think the guy he's running with is ready for the job? Do we also need a vice president who would rather McCain be president?


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post Aug 25 2008, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE (cmac @ Aug 25 2008, 04:09 PM) *
we need a vice president who isn't afraid to call the republicans out. i feel as if the vice president somewhat fills that role and john edwards didn't do any of that 4 years ago. the democrats problem with elections is never being on the offense, but always defending and it's been proven to not work recently.
he counteracts everything that obama is not. for example biden is for the death penalty, and obama is not. if someone was using that alone to not vote for obama, then maybe now they could reconsider.
he actually has a reasonable plan to bring the troops home and leave iraq stable. he provides the experience that everyone seems to be holding over obama's head. obama may be admitting a weakness by choosing biden, and that is what a politician should do. admit where he's weak and attack it. still think that hillary would have been a better choice, but biden would have been my second. curious to see what mccain does now.

So other than the death penalty, where are biden and obama opposites? And honestly I don't see grabbing a running mate with opposite views as something that 'seals the deal'. If someone's key issue is the death penalty, they're not voting for Obama. Having a VP which is for it isn't going to change that. Though I don't see the death penalty as some key issue for many.

And the current administration is already working on a plan to finish up in Iraq, no doubt we'll be hearing much more about that before the elections.
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