Obama's Proposed Tax Hikes, And you thought you already paid enough? Options

[Psykopath]

Let's see here Zach, I'm the one who busted my ass getting a degree that's an AWFUL lot harder to get than others, I'm the one who is busting my ass doing a job living in a place that NO ONE wants to be in, living out in the middle of fucking nowhere, renting a room in a house, so I can afford other things in life I want to have right now.

I have not purchased my own home, which, would be quite literally all I could afford on the $75k I make, so that I can buy the toys I've wanted to have for the last 15 years of my fucking life.

I probably paid more in taxes last year than you've earned your entire life, and I've had a fucking job and been paying taxes on it since I was 13 fucking years old. In fact, the longest I've gone without a job in the last 13 years of my life was my last year at tech when I said fuck it and took more money out on student loans. Keep in mind, I had my old truck paid off before I ever showed up at Tech....this is probably one of the reasons I was 26 when I graduated instead of 23 or so.

Now, let's compare me to somone making $200,000 a year .... That person esentially has everything I have, aka, a nice vehicle and a few toys of various nature, but then they also own a home. Even despite all the tax incentives of owning this home, it's quite obviously still MUCH MUCH MUCH more expensive to own your own home than it is to do what I am doing right now.

Realy zach, how rich am I? I have a pickup truck, a pair of sleds, and a 4-wheeler, and I am renting a fucking room in a god damned 50 year old farm house to be able to afford that.

Were I making $200,000 a year, I could afford to what I have now, then my own reasonably nice home, and then perhaps be able to put some more money away for my retirement.

I sure as hell am not going to be buying that Corvette I've always wanted to on $200k a year if I'm expecting to own my own home right now....

Don't talk the talk until you've walked the walk

LOL don't get so defensive/butt hurt. You're the one who has posted on here about all the "toys" you've bought and how expensive it is. =P

Just pointed it out in jest, but whatever. I really don't give two shits how much you earn in comparison to me, or how much anyone else earns for that matter.

[Dogmeat]

Just pointed it out in jest, but whatever. I really don't give two shits how much you earn in comparison to me, or how much anyone else earns for that matter.

That is all fine and dandy, but the point I'm trying to make is that those of us who make a decent amount of money generally have to work harder for it, and that generally is true throughout the entire pay scale. That's why it only pays $6.00 an hour to flip burgers. Just because somone's brother's cousin's sister's former room mate made $150,000 selling daipers on eBay doesn't mean that the large percentage of wage earners in the upper brackets were all trust fund babies or had these jobs handed to them or whatever.

There's a good reason people who make that much money make it, it's because they've worked harder for it and have earned it.

This is why it pisses me off when I constantly hear various politicians essentially using the gimmick of "tax the rich", because all they're doing is scraping the bottom of the barrel for votes with it.

[impala454]

This is why it pisses me off when I constantly hear various politicians essentially using the gimmick of "tax the rich", because all they're doing is scraping the bottom of the barrel for votes with it.

and sure seems they've roped in a few votes from techsans doing it.

[Psykopath]

and sure seems they've roped in a few votes from techsans doing it.

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And you say liberals are elitist!

[impala454]

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And you say liberals are elitist!

they are

not sure what you're tryin to say w/that statement. you calling me elitist? if so, why?

[THECHICKEN]

Making $200,000 now is _NOT_ the same $200,000 it was in the 90's, and it royally pisses me off people can't fucking figure this out.

It was the same stupid shit when Hillary was claiming "You are going to go back to paying what you were in the 90's" ....

Well, you mindless scumsucking bitch cunt (Obama is one of these too), with the value of the dollar being worth MUCH less than it was back then, you are absolutley HAMMERING people with those taxes.

People are so fucking stupid when it comes to buying into the horse shit about "taxing the rich" it just apalls me ...

People making $200k these days are fairly well off, they are FAR from "rich" ...

200k is still top 3% of country. I don't think its rich personally, but its better off than a lot.

oh and impala do your own research on it, i just said that i heard his plan on the radio. I didn't take notes or anything. He said Wallstreet journal approved of it or something.

[Dogmeat]

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And you say liberals are elitist!

Well, if thinking people who actually work for their fucking money deserve to keep what they earn makes me an elitist, then golly gee whiz, I'm an elitist

200k is still top 3% of country. I don't think its rich personally, but its better off than a lot.

oh and impala do your own research on it, i just said that i heard his plan on the radio. I didn't take notes or anything. He said Wallstreet journal approved of it or something.

I don't care if it's the top %.05 of the country....

[Mommy]

I just think it is monumentally moronic to tax the rich so heavily when they pour so much money into our economy that it's not even funny. We wonder why our country is having a recession in spending. It's because the rich pay almost half of their income to the government. I seriously think that people that make $200K and up are taxed somewhere between 36% and 40% of their income which is fucking stupid.

[Psykopath]

Well, if thinking people who actually work for their fucking money deserve to keep what they earn makes me an elitist, then golly gee whiz, I'm an elitist
I don't care if it's the top %.05 of the country....

*sigh*
wasn't referring to that aspect of what was being discussed...

gah, why do I keep posting in here! FUCK NPR...bunch of inane BS on both sides.

[Mommy]

lol

[impala454]

oh and impala do your own research on it, i just said that i heard his plan on the radio.

just pointing out that you're not following up, you simply believe what he says.

[THECHICKEN]

just pointing out that you're not following up, you simply believe what he says.

Where did i say i believed what he said? Just because you aren't following up on what he is saying (and just assuming taxes will go up or whatever) doesn't mean i need to follow up to say that i heard differently... (at least i heard something he actually said, vs your assumption of tax hikes). I learned a long time ago to believe none of what i hear and half of what i see. I honestly don't care whether he is lying or not. He said wallstreet journal liked his plan so good for him... still doesn't mean im voting or believing him on something that the congress decides (not him).

[Spectatrix]

How has the Patriot Act or warrantless wiretapping added government control over your life? There's not any choices being taken away. Some privacy perhaps but we've argued the wiretapping crap before so no need to hash that again.

It bypasses the judicial system, giving more direct power to the executive branch.

Socializing parts of people's lives and taking away choices they currently have is what I'd call control.

And I'd agree. I do not support socialized health care, at least for adults.

I can understand your social concerns, even if I don't agree with them. I wasn't aware though that the general Republican plan was to criminalize gay marraige. At the very least that would be political suicide in our increasingly pussified (PC) society.

It was slight hyperbole, but they do want to pass the Federal Marriage Amendment, which would define marriage as the union between a man and a woman. This isn't just a social concern to me, it's also a states rights issue. I think the decision on gay marriage should be left to the individual states.

IMHO social concerns are fine, but people's health, money, the economy, and national defense & foreign policy are a much higher priority in selecting our leaders than allowing some gay dudes to get a piece of paper and a tiny tax break, or letting some chick that got knocked up on accident murder her child because she's too irresponsible to take care of it.

I know I said earlier that I was trying to stay away from speculation, but I highly doubt that a universal health care plan is going to pass anytime soon, unless the democrats gain a significant majority in Congress. It's simply too much of a partisan issue. And, as I've said numerous times, I'm not thrilled with such proposals anyway.

Money: Both candidates are planning on cutting taxes in general. Both are probably lying. As per traditional party lines, Obama emphasizes cuts for the lower & middle class (tax hikes for the top 0.1%), while McCain has tax cuts across the board, but mostly for the wealthy. Nothing new here. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...8060900950.html

The Economy: Such a broad topic... not sure what to talk about here. Well, I do think it was cool that Obama called McCain and Clinton out on their dumbass "gas tax holiday" plan. I dunno what either candidate has said about the subprime mortgage meltdown. Anyone want to englighten me?

Foreign Policy: I'm with Obama on this one. I think abandoning diplomacy is foolish, I think nation-building should not be our purpose, and I think getting into yet another war when our military is already stretched thin and we have such a huge budget deficit is suicide. And yes, I'm aware than many of you will disagree with me. It's my personal opinion, so buzz off.

[Spectatrix]

And yes, I know I just wrote an Impala-style quote-by-quote post. SO SUE ME.

(btw, thank you, Impala, for actually maintaining a reasonable line of discourse on these issues... unlike some people...)

This post has been edited by Spectatrix: Jul 30 2008, 02:41 PM

[Mommy]

Christine, why would you support socialized health care (see, she realizes it's two words) for children? I mean, yeah, children shouldn't be denied health care...ever, but at the same time that would lower the quality of care, wouldn't it? They are our future.