Obama's Proposed Tax Hikes, And you thought you already paid enough? Options

[Spectatrix]

Because I support abortion rights, gay marriage, gay adoption, stem cell research, and the abolition of abstinence-only sex education.

This post has been edited by Spectatrix: Jul 30 2008, 10:08 AM

[Dogmeat]

Because I support abortion rights, gay marriage, gay adoption, stem cell research, and the abolition of abstinence-only sex education.

Well, I guess I can see where you're coming from, I've said for as long as I can remember that the Republican party would easily be the most well-equipped party in Washington so to speak were they not in the back pocket of the Christian Coalition.

However, look at who the Republican canidate is .... If I'm not mistaken, McCain has said he opposes abortion rights, but do you think he'd ever actually support overturning Roe Vs. Wade after he got elected? Hell no.

You can't take a god damned thing a politicians says seriously while they're on the campaign trail. It doesn't matter who it is, they're going to say whatever they think a certain group of people want to hear to get elected.

That's why it plays into who I would vote for, I look at what they promise vs. what is probably actually going to happen, and that's why I am just shaking my head at Obama .... he's done nothing but preach from fantasy land in every speech I've ever heard of his.

[THECHICKEN]

McCain is liberal enough that no major conservative change is going to be pushed by him. Obama will push for a LOT more "change" in the way of a liberal agenda.

I wouldn't mind obama if he would pull his head out of his ass on foreign issues, as that is pretty much all the president has power over (besides the veto).

Sadly i've already learned that it doesn't really matter who the president is. The congress is what has the power in our gov. and though one president may have guns banned like under clinton, the next president can unban them.

So meh, if Obama gets elected taxes go up, soldiers get pulled from iraq, etc. ... then obama is out of office, iraq is a shit hole from pulling out too soon (so we need have to deal with them again), and taxes are lowered. Its a cycle, guess we are due for a backslide so we can do everything all over again.

[impala454]

Both parties plan on spending our money and setting up more governmental control.

what is the Republican's plan on setting up more governmental control?

[woody]

i've taken the position of 'we're fucked either way'

[Dogmeat]

So meh, if Obama gets elected taxes go up, soldiers get pulled from iraq, etc. ... then obama is out of office, iraq is a shit hole from pulling out too soon (so we need have to deal with them again), and taxes are lowered. Its a cycle, guess we are due for a backslide so we can do everything all over again.

I take it you don't make more than about $30,000 a year?

[Spectatrix]

what is the Republican's plan on setting up more governmental control?

Anything in the vein of the Patriot Act and NSA's warrantless wiretapping program, for starters. Also, wanting constitutional amendments to ban abortion and criminalize gay marriage.

[impala454]

How has the Patriot Act or warrantless wiretapping added government control over your life? There's not any choices being taken away. Some privacy perhaps but we've argued the wiretapping crap before so no need to hash that again.

Socializing parts of people's lives and taking away choices they currently have is what I'd call control.

I can understand your social concerns, even if I don't agree with them. I wasn't aware though that the general Republican plan was to criminalize gay marraige. At the very least that would be political suicide in our increasingly pussified (PC) society.

IMHO social concerns are fine, but people's health, money, the economy, and national defense & foreign policy are a much higher priority in selecting our leaders than allowing some gay dudes to get a piece of paper and a tiny tax break, or letting some chick that got knocked up on accident murder her child because she's too irresponsible to take care of it.

[THECHICKEN]

I take it you don't make more than about $30,000 a year?

actually the number is around 200,000 for considered "rich" ... those are who obama claims he wants to tax. He also says there will be small business exemptions. So yeah... of course he can raise taxes against his word, but im going off what he states.

[impala454]

but im going off what he states.

which is what, exactly?

[THECHICKEN]

which is what, exactly?

Heard on the radio a speech he made about his tax plans. The jist of it was that he would close tax loop holes for rich, lower taxes on middle class, and for every social plan he made - he had a plan to pay them off.

[impala454]

kinda lacking on the details don't ya think? what loop holes is he going to close for the rich? are you aware that the rich pay like 10% more than you do in taxes? who's the middle class and how much is he going to lower those people's taxes by? what's his plan to pay off these "social plans"? he wants to socialize an industry that we currently spend $2.25 trillion on... oh but he has a "plan" to pay that off...

I'm not trying to make you guys vote differently, I just want yall to think objectively about what either candidate says. Especially when they grandstand and generalize their statements as bad as Obama does.

[Dogmeat]

Making $200,000 now is _NOT_ the same $200,000 it was in the 90's, and it royally pisses me off people can't fucking figure this out.

It was the same stupid shit when Hillary was claiming "You are going to go back to paying what you were in the 90's" ....

Well, you mindless scumsucking bitch cunt (Obama is one of these too), with the value of the dollar being worth MUCH less than it was back then, you are absolutley HAMMERING people with those taxes.

People are so fucking stupid when it comes to buying into the horse shit about "taxing the rich" it just apalls me ...

People making $200k these days are fairly well off, they are FAR from "rich" ...

[Psykopath]

Making $200,000 now is _NOT_ the same $200,000 it was in the 90's, and it royally pisses me off people can't fucking figure this out.

It was the same stupid shit when Hillary was claiming "You are going to go back to paying what you were in the 90's" ....

Well, you mindless scumsucking bitch cunt (Obama is one of these too), with the value of the dollar being worth MUCH less than it was back then, you are absolutley HAMMERING people with those taxes.

People are so fucking stupid when it comes to buying into the horse shit about "taxing the rich" it just apalls me ...

People making $200k these days are fairly well off, they are FAR from "rich" ...

If they live like you, then this is 100% true...

[Dogmeat]

If they live like you, then this is 100% true...

Let's see here Zach, I'm the one who busted my ass getting a degree that's an AWFUL lot harder to get than others, I'm the one who is busting my ass doing a job living in a place that NO ONE wants to be in, living out in the middle of fucking nowhere, renting a room in a house, so I can afford other things in life I want to have right now.

I have not purchased my own home, which, would be quite literally all I could afford on the $75k I make, so that I can buy the toys I've wanted to have for the last 15 years of my fucking life.

I probably paid more in taxes last year than you've earned your entire life, and I've had a fucking job and been paying taxes on it since I was 13 fucking years old. In fact, the longest I've gone without a job in the last 13 years of my life was my last year at tech when I said fuck it and took more money out on student loans. Keep in mind, I had my old truck paid off before I ever showed up at Tech....this is probably one of the reasons I was 26 when I graduated instead of 23 or so.

Now, let's compare me to somone making $200,000 a year .... That person esentially has everything I have, aka, a nice vehicle and a few toys of various nature, but then they also own a home. Even despite all the tax incentives of owning this home, it's quite obviously still MUCH MUCH MUCH more expensive to own your own home than it is to do what I am doing right now.

Realy zach, how rich am I? I have a pickup truck, a pair of sleds, and a 4-wheeler, and I am renting a fucking room in a god damned 50 year old farm house to be able to afford that.

Were I making $200,000 a year, I could afford to what I have now, then my own reasonably nice home, and then perhaps be able to put some more money away for my retirement.

I sure as hell am not going to be buying that Corvette I've always wanted to on $200k a year if I'm expecting to own my own home right now....

Don't talk the talk until you've walked the walk