 Honda's New Fuel Cell Car |
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| Honda's New Fuel Cell Car |
 Jun 19 2008, 06:55 AM
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Jun 19 2008, 08:42 AM
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yeah I just saw the commercial last night. haven't seen where the hydrogen stations in Houston are though...
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Jun 19 2008, 11:59 AM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ Jun 19 2008, 09:42 AM)  yeah I just saw the commercial last night. haven't seen where the hydrogen stations in Houston are though... The only stations I know of are in California and Washington D.C. -------------------- "There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: that of the fashionable non-conformist." |
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Jun 19 2008, 12:13 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
so it's basically a niche car/marketing scheme
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Jun 19 2008, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ Jun 19 2008, 01:13 PM) so it's basically a niche car/marketing scheme it could be a mainstream car, just fuel cells use Pt and are uber expensive. -------------------- Southern Rock, beer and bears!
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Jun 19 2008, 03:47 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
IMHO plugin cars have a much greater chance to be mainstream. Although $600+ electric bills are not something I want to see...
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Jun 20 2008, 07:06 AM
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QUOTE (chook @ Jun 19 2008, 03:31 PM) it could be a mainstream car, just fuel cells use Pt and are uber expensive. Fuel cells in the present market use platinum electrodes. They are in the process with replacing them with low(er)-cost ceramics though (like Solid Oxide Fuel Cells). The operating temperature is greatly higher, but they are working on reducing that as well. As for plug in cars, they are all over the place here (Denmark). Certainly nowhere near a majority but there is a national goal to make it that way in the next 15-20 years. What's cool is that the grid that powers the plug-ins at high populated areas are composed entirely of wind energy so its pretty much as green as you can get (rather than powering from something like a coal power plant). --------------------  |
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Jun 20 2008, 07:56 AM
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QUOTE (blaarg @ Jun 20 2008, 08:06 AM) Fuel cells in the present market use platinum electrodes. pretty sure that's what he meant by Pt |
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Jun 21 2008, 10:07 AM
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Oh baby bring me down Group: Agents Posts: 4,115 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Way out yonder Member No.: 68 |
QUOTE (blaarg @ Jun 20 2008, 08:06 AM) Fuel cells in the present market use platinum electrodes. They are in the process with replacing them with low(er)-cost ceramics though (like Solid Oxide Fuel Cells). The operating temperature is greatly higher, but they are working on reducing that as well. As for plug in cars, they are all over the place here (Denmark). Certainly nowhere near a majority but there is a national goal to make it that way in the next 15-20 years. What's cool is that the grid that powers the plug-ins at high populated areas are composed entirely of wind energy so its pretty much as green as you can get (rather than powering from something like a coal power plant). What you doing over there? -------------------- Southern Rock, beer and bears!
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Jun 22 2008, 10:20 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 3,402 Joined: 23-February 06 From: PDX/TXL Member No.: 35 |
BMW has also released a fuel cell car. Just saw the commercial this evening.
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Jun 23 2008, 12:34 AM
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Oh baby bring me down Group: Agents Posts: 4,115 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Way out yonder Member No.: 68 |
QUOTE (blaarg @ Jun 20 2008, 08:06 AM) Fuel cells in the present market use platinum electrodes. They are in the process with replacing them with low(er)-cost ceramics though (like Solid Oxide Fuel Cells). The operating temperature is greatly higher, but they are working on reducing that as well. As for plug in cars, they are all over the place here (Denmark). Certainly nowhere near a majority but there is a national goal to make it that way in the next 15-20 years. What's cool is that the grid that powers the plug-ins at high populated areas are composed entirely of wind energy so its pretty much as green as you can get (rather than powering from something like a coal power plant). The problem with the fuel cells is that CO and CO2 form a poisonious (not reversable) bond with the Noble metals (Pt) and the fuel is really expensive. The higher heat models can use different things than a noble metal to split the hydrogen, becuase of the higher temperature. What is not touted about these things is that most likely byproduct of the cost effective systems is CO2 as well as water. -------------------- Southern Rock, beer and bears!
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Jun 23 2008, 08:29 PM
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
Love plug in cars. Just about every car company has plans to release one in 2009-2010. I'm not expecting much from GM with the Volt (horrible business what they did to it in the first place). But there will be many alternatives to choose from. I know quite a few people here in America driving EVs and plug them into their solar panel home grids. 100% free vehicle transportation. In California quite a few Park and Ride bus terminals also have plug-in pitstops (many of them solar). Suupper excited. If i dont buy a EV in 2-3 years I'll purchase the EV conversion kit for the Prius.
No more oil! -------------------- Little monkeys making money
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Jun 23 2008, 08:49 PM
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I guess for basic transportation needs this is all fine and dandy, but there isn't a battery on the planet that will exist for the next 100 years that would allow to tow an 8,000-lb trailer on a trip of 400 miles
 Maybe some day we'll have Fusion Batteries 
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Jun 23 2008, 08:51 PM
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
how often does the average person need to commute with a 8000lb trailer for 400 miles?
18wheelers SHOULD be a thing of the past. they should be dock to market and we should rely on trains for coast to coast transportation. would save a bunch of money and energy -------------------- Little monkeys making money
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Jun 23 2008, 08:52 PM
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DEATH TO ....something? Group: Members Posts: 5,618 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Parker, CO Member No.: 55 |
QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Jun 23 2008, 08:51 PM) how often does the average person need to commute with a 8000lb trailer for 400 miles? 18wheelers SHOULD be a thing of the past. they should be dock to market and we should rely on trains for coast to coast transportation. would save a bunch of money and energy I do it quite a bit But I'm curious as to why large cargo trucks should be a thing of the past .... really. -------------------- I r Ur Gawd!
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