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[impala454]

*sigh*
Didn't catch what I meant...forgot that it has to be in crayon for you to understand.

Democratic president wants something, Republican Congress 9/10 times vetoes it.
Republican president wants something, Democratic Congress 9/10 times vetoes it.

For fuck's sake, I'm on your side with the drilling, but you still have to be an e-dick. hah

I'm being the "e-dick"? My God the conversations with you are getting boring man. You have a small set of conclusions that you refer to like a goddam 3rd grade math cheat card. Think about what you're saying for once and quit reverting to the same old shit and "durrrrr i forgot you're stupid" "durrrrrrrr i forgot you dont understand english" "durrrr i forgot i need to use crayon" caveman low brow rebuttal/insults.

If you can quit w/the "Impala is a jackass" and quit reaching into the auto-response bag for 5 minutes and think about what's being said we might accidentally have an interesting conversation.

The situation in both occasions is the Republicans proposing a reasonable solution with the democrats knocking it down for no good reason. You see the important part of that statement as "democrats vs republicans". That's not the important part. The important part is "republicans propose solution, democrats knock it down". That is the common factor here.

[impala454]

McCain isn't this bastion of moderate politics like the media portrays him. Hell I used to think that until I actually looked at his voting records. He has voted with the majority of his GOP colleagues over 88.3% of the time in the current congress.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/

His voting record is actually fairly conservative.


"John McCain's voting scores during his time in Congress, as given by the American Conservative Union (pink line; 100 is most conservative) and Americans for Democratic Action (dark blue line; 100 is most liberal)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#Political_positions

That little dip in 2000 is where this "champion of moderate politics" idea developed from.

So what does 88.3% mean to you? Is that a lot? How about all the other congressmen?

I don't think anyone really portrays him as a "bastion of moderate politics." He is definitely more moderate than the GOP would like him to be. Honestly I see this as a strength as a presidential candidate.

[Mommy]

McCain isn't this bastion of moderate politics like the media portrays him. Hell I used to think that until I actually looked at his voting records. He has voted with the majority of his GOP colleagues over 88.3% of the time in the current congress.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/

His voting record is actually fairly conservative.


"John McCain's voting scores during his time in Congress, as given by the American Conservative Union (pink line; 100 is most conservative) and Americans for Democratic Action (dark blue line; 100 is most liberal)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#Political_positions

That little dip in 2000 is where this "champion of moderate politics" idea developed from.

I posted these numbers in another thread. He is still more middle of the road than Obama. Plus, he is for environmental issues. I have done quite a bit of research on McCain's voting record, and I have to say that he votes liberal when it counts the most.

[Mommy]

Here:

McCain began 2001 by breaking with the new George W. Bush administration on a number of matters, including HMO reform, climate change, and gun legislation.

In May 2001, McCain was one of only two Senate Republicans to vote against the Bush tax cuts.

When Republican Senator Jim Jeffords became an Independent, throwing control of the Senate to the Democrats, McCain defended Jeffords against "self-appointed enforcers of party loyalty".

After the September 11, 2001 attacks, McCain supported Bush and the U.S. led war in Afghanistan. He and then-Democratic Senator Joe Lieberman wrote the legislation that created the 9/11 Commission.

In May 2003, McCain voted against the second round of Bush tax cuts, saying it was unwise at a time of war.

In October 2003, McCain and Lieberman co-sponsored the Climate Stewardship Act that would have introduced a cap and trade system of greenhouse gases at the 2000 emissions level; the bill was defeated with 55 votes to 43 in the Senate.They reintroduced modified versions of the Act two additional times, most recently in January 2007 with the co-sponsorship of Barack Obama, among others


AND THE MOST IMPORTANT PART:
The American Conservative Union awarded McCain a lifetime rating of 82 percent through 2007, while McCain has an average lifetime 13 percent "Liberal Quotient" from Americans for Democratic Action through 2007

Based on his years in Congress (i.e. 2005, 2006, and 2007), Senator Obama has a lifetime average conservative rating of 7.67% from the ACU, and a lifetime average liberal rating of 90% from the ADA.

[Psykopath]

I'm being the "e-dick"? My God the conversations with you are getting boring man. You have a small set of conclusions that you refer to like a goddam 3rd grade math cheat card. Think about what you're saying for once and quit reverting to the same old shit and "durrrrr i forgot you're stupid" "durrrrrrrr i forgot you dont understand english" "durrrr i forgot i need to use crayon" caveman low brow rebuttal/insults.

If you can quit w/the "Impala is a jackass" and quit reaching into the auto-response bag for 5 minutes and think about what's being said we might accidentally have an interesting conversation.

The situation in both occasions is the Republicans proposing a reasonable solution with the democrats knocking it down for no good reason. You see the important part of that statement as "democrats vs republicans". That's not the important part. The important part is "republicans propose solution, democrats knock it down". That is the common factor here.

Exactly, and I was simply trying to state that you reverse the parties in power and that type of political nonsense will still happen.
I made a simple political observation, and you came in with eyes closed/ears plugged and started the insult game... "Thanks for your standard 8th grade answer though that "well nyah nyah the republicans would do the same thing!"."
I didn't insult anyone, you did first. So the e-dick statement stands.

So what does 88.3% mean to you?

It means that 88.3% of the time, he voted for the more Conservative option in a given piece of legislation.
If I go back and look at all of his votes, I'm sure there are some I'd agree with and many others I would not.

I don't think anyone really portrays him as a "bastion of moderate politics."

Well, I think Jessica may be more for that statement than against it, considering she wrote "That's why I like candidates that are more middle of the road than anything."
But I'm obviously not 100% sure on that...I'm not Cathryn: I don't know everything about everyone simply by seeing over the INTERNET!

[Psykopath]

side note:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080619/ap_on_bi_ge/oil_prices

[Mommy]

Exactly, and I was simply trying to state that you reverse the parties in power and that type of political nonsense will still happen.
I made a simple political observation, and you came in with eyes closed/ears plugged and started the insult game... "Thanks for your standard 8th grade answer though that "well nyah nyah the republicans would do the same thing!"."
I didn't insult anyone, you did first. So the e-dick statement stands.



It means that 88.3% of the time, he voted for the more Conservative option in a given piece of legislation.
If I go back and look at all of his votes, I'm sure there are some I'd agree with and many others I would not.


Well, I think Jessica may be more for that statement than against it, considering she wrote "That's why I like candidates that are more middle of the road than anything."
But I'm obviously not 100% sure on that...I'm not Cathryn: I don't know everything about everyone simply by seeing over the INTERNET!

I don't consider him a moderate. I do think, though, that he has more moderate views than Obama does. Plus, I won't lie. If McCain were to pick Lieberman as his running mate, I think that would be so damn cool. A Republican President and a Democratic Vice President? How neat would that be?!?!?!

[Psykopath]

I don't consider him a moderate. I do think, though, that he has more moderate views than Obama does. Plus, I won't lie. If McCain were to pick Lieberman as his running mate, I think that would be so damn cool. A Republican President and a Democratic Vice President? How neat would that be?!?!?!

FUCK Lieberman! He's as bad as Hilary when it comes to blaming society's ills on music/movies/video games/tv!


This post has been edited by Psykopath: Jun 19 2008, 03:39 PM

[impala454]

Exactly, and I was simply trying to state that you reverse the parties in power and that type of political nonsense will still happen.

But that's not true. You're still not getting it. You can't reverse the parties on the subject of drilling expansion and get the same result because the democrats don't propose solutions that are unpopular.

I made a simple political observation, and you came in with eyes closed/ears plugged and started the insult game... "Thanks for your standard 8th grade answer though that "well nyah nyah the republicans would do the same thing!"."
I didn't insult anyone, you did first. So the e-dick statement stands.

I called your statement 8th grade. That's not an insult to you. The "you're an e-dick" is an insult to me. Understand the difference? Attack the words, not the person.

It means that 88.3% of the time, he voted for the more Conservative option in a given piece of legislation.

Well duh. But what does that number mean to you? My point being, you're presenting that as evidence that McCain is not as moderate as people think. The problem is, without a frame of reference for the other congressmen that number doesn't mean anything. What if the numbers show that the typical congressman votes with his party 95% of the time? That sure makes McCain look pretty moderate. On the other hand if the typical congressman voted with their party 77% of the time (doubtful though) it would make him look ultra-conservative. You see what I'm saying? Without actually looking it up though, I would guess that most congressmen vote with their party much more than 88.3% of the time.

[impala454]

side note:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080619/ap_on_bi_ge/oil_prices

That's pretty sweet, hopefully it will stay that way. Color me skeptical though as we saw a $5 drop get erased by a $10 increase only a couple weeks ago.

[chook]

i see techsans is totally dead without me posting.

drilling in ANWR is like a fat man drilling another hole in his belt, and he's running out of belt, and it takes seven years to drill the hole. he'd do a lot better to lose weight. i think the alaska issue is dead in the water from the get go. isnt the oil estimation where they want to set up less than what the US consumes in a month? i dont remember the exact number
did anyone else simply looooooove Cheney trying to profit off scaring the shit out of ignorant americans? im kind of surprised i havent read anyone trying to use cheneys claims in a pro-drilling argument here

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/...0,1671056.story

The fact is that they are considering to drill and American oil companies cannot be leased the same oil fields.

[Dogmeat]

Eh, it'd be the same situation with a dem president and rep congress.

Fucking politics...
Work towards more efficient vehicles whilst tapping into more domestic sources of fuel.
But oh no, can't have that....drilling for oil automatically means Exxon Valdez sized disasters every single time.
Heaven forbid the possibility that oil companies have actually improved drilling techniques/safety processes in all these years.
blah

Jeep Wrangler, motorcycle, and a good bicycle...all I need to cover my typical types of travel while using as little gas as possible.

/end rambling

I'm thinking about getting a sport bike actually

Just use the truck when I need to haul trailers ...

[impala454]

I'm thinking about getting a sport bike actually

Just use the truck when I need to haul trailers ...

what kinda mileage do the various bikes get? like:

<500cc bike = ?
1000cc bike = ?
big harley = ?

[nickluto]

Heard on the radio today that pinko Chinese raised the price of oil and that should lower demand enough over there to let us see a little bit of a price cut /stabilization over here for a bit. Kewl.

Wow, just realized someone posted a link to the article above. My bad

[Mommy]

Heard on the radio today that pinko Chinese raised the price of oil and that should lower demand enough over there to let us see a little bit of a price cut /stabilization over here for a bit. Kewl.

See post #96 in this thread

Damn you and your edits