You can teach faith, it just has to be our faith Options

[Aaron]

It's not like the n-word at all. It's the Constitution of the United States.

Obviously, I was talking about the kind of argument... not the topic of the argument.

But good to know you're such an ardent defender of *cue dramatic music* the United States Constitution.

[impala454]

hmmmk... sorry I had to bring a petty thing like LAW into the logic

[Aaron]

hmmmk... sorry I had to bring a petty thing like LAW into the logic

Right, because the people who gave that presentation were promptly arrested afterwards because they broke a law.

Oh, wait, no... a bunch of soccer moms just got pissed because, damnit, they're the only ones who can indoctrinate their children with religion.

[impala454]

Hey if double standards in our schools are ok with you I got no further beef.

[Hartmann]

Oh, wait, no... a bunch of soccer moms just got pissed because, damnit, they're the only ones who can indoctrinate their children with religion.

Um, yeah. Isn't that the argument for not teaching religion in school? Parents should be the ones teaching religion, it isn't the responsibility of the school or groups the school brings in.

We didn't learn religion when I was in elementary and middle school. We learned about geography and culture, but religion was not in the mix.

Hell, I think I have my old textbooks, I'll get them out and see what they say about the Crusades.

[Aaron]

Um, yeah. Isn't that the argument for not teaching religion in school? Parents should be the ones teaching religion, it isn't the responsibility of the school or groups the school brings in.

Um, yeah. I was being sarcastic.

Awesome.

[nickluto]

You can expose young people to Arabic culture without having an Islamic presentation. Just like you could have an American culture discussion over there without discussing Christianity. Or a Chinese culture discussion without Buddhism.

I say it's hypocrisy (not necessarily what you said) because the second you have anything Christian enter a school, the pundits cry about separation of church and state. Then you have some other religion, be it Islam or Buddhism or anything else, and suddenly it's ok because it's "cultural". That's the hypocrisy. It's called a double-standard. And it seems to be happening all too often nowadays.

I recall having "multi-cultural" days in school, where we'd have a big presentation set up discussing various cultures, arabic, chinese, mexican, french, german, etc. There'd be food from different cultures, pictures of people's homes, talks of their way of life, etc. But I don't in any of those times recall someone stepping forward to teach the lesson that "Allah is God of all people". That's not a multicultural lesson, that's a religious lesson.

nicely put

[Aaron]

Was bored at work today. Don't really give a shit.

[The Fanatic]

I am agnostic and I'm against this presentation because there needs to be uniformity in the way separation of church and state is interpreted. Don't allow members of a group that has an obvious slant and agenda to lecture on a religious subject whether they be Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc. I have no problem with religion being taught in social studies or other courses as long as it is relevant to the subject. Then again I was not at the lecture personally so i don't know to what extent they may have overstepped their "bounds".

[Aaron]

Psh, agnostic. Shit or get off the pot, man!

[Spectatrix]

I am agnostic and I'm against this presentation because there needs to be uniformity in the way separation of church and state is interpreted. Don't allow members of a group that has an obvious slant and agenda to lecture on a religious subject whether they be Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc. I have no problem with religion being taught in social studies or other courses as long as it is relevant to the subject. Then again I was not at the lecture personally so i don't know to what extent they may have overstepped their "bounds".

I agree. And I think this is where Impala is coming from. The double standard is BS.

[FORSAKENR320]

teachers have to be certified to teach certain classes, right? teach religion, but have it done by a certified teacher. fuck the nosy parent and zealot approach

[impala454]

one of the philosophy classes i took as an elective was world religion, great class, forget the prof's name. that's how i could see it being taught in schools (if it's taught at all).

[Hartmann]

Um, yeah. I was being sarcastic.

Awesome.

Hard to tell on the interweb.

[The Fanatic]

Psh, agnostic. Shit or get off the pot, man!

Hahaha

Actually though I grow tired of fanatics on both sides of the issue. A higher power, force, god, etc is plausible but maybe the universe is a cruel accidental joke. I believe that if there is a higher power it is impossible to define with religion.