pluto also has global warming? Options

[FORSAKENR320]

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/plut...ing_021009.html

Elliot added that the process affecting Pluto's temperature is complex. "We just don't know what is causing these effects," he said.

if only we can get the fucking ignorant mass of half-assing fanatics to understand the same about Earth....


and yes, i mean half-assed fanatics..... they don't really understand what they're fanatical about, but god damn it, are they gonna make loud noises about it!

[Mommy]

isn't the earth getting closer to the sun...albeit very very slowly? I always figured this was the reason for global warming. I would imagine if earth is getting closer, the entire solar system is. Remember, folks, Pluto isn't a planet anymore though

[FORSAKENR320]

isn't the earth getting closer to the sun...albeit very very slowly? I always figured this was the reason for global warming. I would imagine if earth is getting closer, the entire solar system is. Remember, folks, Pluto isn't a planet anymore though

but pluto is getting further away from the sun.


some are trying to speculate that it's caused by another planet beyond our reach, some say it's because it took a long time for the heat to affect things when pluto was closest to the sun in 85-89 (forgot which the article said) they just don't know.

[Mommy]

but pluto is getting further away from the sun.


some are trying to speculate that it's caused by another planet beyond our reach, some say it's because it took a long time for the heat to affect things when pluto was closest to the sun in 85-89 (forgot which the article said) they just don't know.

oh. weird. I don't read up on all this stuff. All I know is that sometimes Neptune is farther from the sun than Pluto is. Is that still the case? Or do those two not cross paths anymore?

[FORSAKENR320]

yea, they still cross.

[impala454]

Pretty sure we discussed this before... here's a nat geo article on it:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...rs-warming.html

Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
Kate Ravilious
for National Geographic News

February 28, 2007

Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory.

Earth is currently experiencing rapid warming, which the vast majority of climate scientists says is due to humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. (Get an overview: "Global Warming Fast Facts".)

Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures.

In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.

Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.

"The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said.

Solar Cycles

Abdussamatov believes that changes in the sun's heat output can account for almost all the climate changes we see on both planets.

Mars and Earth, for instance, have experienced periodic ice ages throughout their histories.

"Man-made greenhouse warming has made a small contribution to the warming seen on Earth in recent years, but it cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance," Abdussamatov said.

By studying fluctuations in the warmth of the sun, Abdussamatov believes he can see a pattern that fits with the ups and downs in climate we see on Earth and Mars.

Abdussamatov's work, however, has not been well received by other climate scientists.

"His views are completely at odds with the mainstream scientific opinion," said Colin Wilson, a planetary physicist at England's Oxford University.

"And they contradict the extensive evidence presented in the most recent IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] report." (Related: "Global Warming 'Very Likely' Caused by Humans, World Climate Experts Say" [February 2, 2007].)

Amato Evan, a climate scientist at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, added that "the idea just isn't supported by the theory or by the observations."

Planets' Wobbles

The conventional theory is that climate changes on Mars can be explained primarily by small alterations in the planet's orbit and tilt, not by changes in the sun.

"Wobbles in the orbit of Mars are the main cause of its climate change in the current era," Oxford's Wilson explained. (Related: "Don't Blame Sun for Global Warming, Study Says" [September 13, 2006].)

All planets experience a few wobbles as they make their journey around the sun. Earth's wobbles are known as Milankovitch cycles and occur on time scales of between 20,000 and 100,000 years.

These fluctuations change the tilt of Earth's axis and its distance from the sun and are thought to be responsible for the waxing and waning of ice ages on Earth.

Mars and Earth wobble in different ways, and most scientists think it is pure coincidence that both planets are between ice ages right now.

"Mars has no [large] moon, which makes its wobbles much larger, and hence the swings in climate are greater too," Wilson said.

No Greenhouse

Perhaps the biggest stumbling block in Abdussamatov's theory is his dismissal of the greenhouse effect, in which atmospheric gases such as carbon dioxide help keep heat trapped near the planet's surface.

He claims that carbon dioxide has only a small influence on Earth's climate and virtually no influence on Mars.

But "without the greenhouse effect there would be very little, if any, life on Earth, since our planet would pretty much be a big ball of ice," said Evan, of the University of Wisconsin.

Most scientists now fear that the massive amount of carbon dioxide humans are pumping into the air will lead to a catastrophic rise in Earth's temperatures, dramatically raising sea levels as glaciers melt and leading to extreme weather worldwide.

Abdussamatov remains contrarian, however, suggesting that the sun holds something quite different in store.

"The solar irradiance began to drop in the 1990s, and a minimum will be reached by approximately 2040," Abdussamatov said. "It will cause a steep cooling of the climate on Earth in 15 to 20 years."

[theIncredibleEdi...]

BLASPHEMY! THE EARTH IS FLAT!!!

[woody]

i guess if impala said we've discussed it, then it's been discussed


feel free to lock thread.

impala has made his statement, thus whatever he says is true

[impala454]

I'm glad yall are catching on

[FORSAKENR320]

well, it's not just pluto and earth or mars. jupiter is having climate changes, a new storm has popped up on it's surface that is arousing curiousity as well.

[woody]

SHOCKING NEWS!!!!

Temperature fluctuation is normal

[Seeker]

pretty much every planet in the solar system is experiencing changes right now

you'll see a lot more as we approach 2012 and the alignment with the galactic center

[nickluto]

it's the fuckin illuminati !

[Mommy]

well, it's not just pluto and earth or mars. jupiter is having climate changes, a new storm has popped up on it's surface that is arousing curiousity as well.

heh you said arousing.

[FORSAKENR320]

SHOCKING NEWS!!!!

Temperature fluctuation is normal

no shit, that's the point i'm trying to make. the al gore fanatics running around screaming the sky is falling like Chicken Little, blaming global warming on anything politicians might suggest to further their political agenda.

heh you said arousing.