My issue with Obama Options

[Mommy]

I didn't know a Muslim was on the ballot??



Awesome. Kudos to me for pissing you off even more.

It doesn't piss me off. I just think its gayer than gay

[Oasis]

I didn't know a Muslim was on the ballot??

Sorry.

"Christian who was suspected to be secretively practicing Islam due to an internet rumor started in 2007, where investigation in to the truth gave numerous differing stories and inconsistincies and no one knows the real truth because investigation usually leads to red herrings and dead ends."

It's easier to say "Muslim," which I believe he is, whether practicing or non-practicing

I admittedly don't know much about Islam, but based on their track record, I doubt they take kindly to religious dissent by their offspring. His dad was a practicing Muslim. Oh, and anyone with an IQ higher than a gnat knows publicly admitting you're a Muslim is political suicide, especially in this day and age

Do the math.

[chook]

I think that mispelling has more to do with being from Corpus than anything else!

[pysex]

Look we're fucked any way you look at it.


McCain is Bush Light

Obama is one shady motherfucker

And Hillary is a woman.


Nuff said.

[impala454]

Well with McCain what you really have to look at is this:

1. McCain is not well liked among very conservative Republicans.
2. McCain is not as disliked by moderate liberals as Bush.

Personally I think he's genius for taking a more moderate stance, whether he means it or not.

[Spectatrix]

Sorry.

"Christian who was suspected to be secretively practicing Islam due to an internet rumor started in 2007, where investigation in to the truth gave numerous differing stories and inconsistincies and no one knows the real truth because investigation usually leads to red herrings and dead ends."

It's easier to say "Muslim," which I believe he is, whether practicing or non-practicing

I admittedly don't know much about Islam, but based on their track record, I doubt they take kindly to religious dissent by their offspring. His dad was a practicing Muslim. Oh, and anyone with an IQ higher than a gnat knows publicly admitting you're a Muslim is political suicide, especially in this day and age

Do the math.

Obama was not and has never been a Muslim. His father, though raised Muslim, was an atheist by the time he met Obama's mother. Barack Obama himself has been a Church of Christ member for over 20 years, FAR longer than he's been in politics.

[Hartmann]

Ok, so Obama told a story of a platoon leader who had his platoon split up between Afghanistan and Iraq. The Army has come out and said this is false and common sense/basic research will show that none of the armed forces would split up a platoon. ever.

[Mommy]

hah what a dumbass.

[cmac]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/27/i...i_n_103698.html
from the horses mouth.
i'll wait to be told how nothing from the huffingtonpost is credible.

[pysex]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/27/i...i_n_103698.html
from the horses mouth.
i'll wait to be told how nothing from the huffingtonpost is credible.

War has been that way for ages.

You give the average joe a gun, send him to a different country with a different culture and atmosphere and tell him they are the enemey...and shit like this happens.

The British did that to us during the Revolution. The French did it to themselves during their own. The Nazis. The Turks. The Kashmir. The Chinese. The Cambodians.

Don't for one second think the Iraqis wouldn't be doing the same thing to us if they had invaded America.

[cmac]

yep. and that makes it right...

[impala454]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/27/i...i_n_103698.html
from the horses mouth.
i'll wait to be told how nothing from the huffingtonpost is credible.

1. what does this have to do with Obama?
2. how did the soldier know his "first kill" was innocent?
3. why did he say "as you can see he was riding a bike" on the third kill? what does it matter?
4. if he really feels this bad about it and it's really as dramatic as he puts it, why did he do it in the first place? what changed him from someone who enjoyed it and was so evil to being sorry about it? my guess is a nice fat payment from the "american news project" who created the video (cheesy dramatic music and all).

[pysex]

yep. and that makes it right...

it doesn't make it right but what the hell can you do about it.....

you can't crawl into every single fucking head of all those billions of people holding guns and MAKE them stop....

all you can do is try and make the point that at the core....people fucking suck


but that's just goddamn common sense.

[Mommy]

If the man was just riding his bicycle, then why did he shoot at the man? That was his own fault. He participated in it, and then he took video. He harassed families. He choked people. He slammed heads against walls. He came back from war and felt guilty. He is trying to make amends for what he did. Not every soldier that goes to Iraq has shaky morals.

Why do they resort to actions like this? Because they are being shot at. They are losing friends. They are losing limbs. These soldiers become the closest of friends while they are there. Why? Because it is them against the enemy. They are there for each other, watching each other's backs.

This news story sticks out in my head. First man to be awarded the Medal of Honor in Iraq. Threw himself on a grenade to save his fellow soldiers. I don't know if it's in this story, but several times he put himself in the middle of enemy fire to save someone. This time, he was killed.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/20...dal-honor_N.htm

I wish I still had the bulletin my friend Charlie posted right after he got to Germany from Iraq. He had a couple fingers blown off from enemy fire and had to be sent back to the states (they stopped in Germany). He was saying that he hated that hell hole Iraq, but he was sad that he couldn't be there anymore with his friends fighting the enemy. This being all said after he lost fingers (including his trigger finger).

Some people don't deal well with what they saw. Some feel it is wrong what they saw (and it is), but this is humanity like it or not. We are not a friendly bunch. We are over there and we have to finish the fight. Forget the fact that Saddam murdered thousands and thousands of his own people. We are there fighting those that terrorize their own people. We can't back out. There are gonna be men that can't accept this fact and will return from Iraq to tell the world that we shouldn't be there. We are there, though, and we have to finish this or it will be a worse problem than it is now.

[impala454]

The most important question asked thus far:

1. what does this have to do with Obama?

edit:
nevermind I see that you're still pouring over this now week old argument. basically see jessica's post for why you're dumb