My issue with Obama Options

[Oasis]

what shithole?

The shithole where taxes and gas prices are at an all time high, and civil liberties and the value of the dollar are at an all time low, I'd reckon

[Hartmann]

maybe we need a president that is a realist about the shithole the country is in, and not just you're either with us or against us.

??

That kind of statement means nothing and is exactly the empty rhetoric that makes me think that Obama might be the worst person for the job.

I don't see anyone saying "you're either against us or with us", so what does that even mean?

Obama is proposing lowering taxes for the lower middle class, uh, what about everybody else? This idea that the federal government can fix the world's woes is preposterous and yet that's what he's proposing, that he can fix the world and "change" it. How? How is it going to change?! Is he waiting till he locks up the nomination before he tells us his plans?

I get this sneaky suspicion that most people who are contemplating voting for him truly believe it cannot get any worse in this country. The sad reality is that it can get worse, much worse. If you are going to vote for Obama are you prepared for rationed healthcare? Not saying that will actually happen but at the extreme of things it very well could.

[Hartmann]

Also, what was the point of the "eat as much as we want" part of his speech the other day?

What does that have to do with energy? We have an amazing ability to grow good food, so do we have an obligation to provide that food to desert nations? Is that what he's suggesting?

I basically heard that speech and immediately thought, "this guy hates NASCAR", which is fine by me but ha!

[cmac]

don't see anyone saying "you're either against us or with us", so what does that even mean?

the republic credo. question anything? terroist.
country's not doing so hot mr. bush...
terroist.

I get this sneaky suspicion that most people who are contemplating voting for him truly believe it cannot get any worse in this country.

pretty much...

The sad reality is that it can get worse, much worse.

yep. we could stay in an endless war that's done nothing to make us safer. we could continue to lose lives of innocent people. the economy could continue into the gutter. gas could continue to rise. global warming. and for the love of god those gay homos might be gettin married.

i don't care about taxes and i don't care about healthcare. there's much bigger issues to worry about.

Also, what was the point of the "eat as much as we want" part of his speech the other day?

is there a video or an article about this? i missed it.

This post has been edited by cmac: May 20 2008, 09:56 AM

[impala454]

The shithole where taxes and gas prices are at an all time high, and civil liberties and the value of the dollar are at an all time low, I'd reckon

What taxes are at an all time high? Income taxes are nowhere near any all time high.

So are you unable to afford gas and don't drive?

Which of your civil liberties are at an all time low?

The dollar's accumulation across the world is still more than double that of the euro, despite the value differences. what does that tell you about the actual value of the dollar?

it's just funny to me to see people here, in this extremely prosperous country, hanging out on the internet, making booku money, having fancy things, taking fancy trips, enjoy time with friends, starting families, and enjoying life overall. While other countries have people dodging bullets, starving, government taking all their money, being beaten if the oppose the government, no rights, etc. And our country is a shithole?

[Hartmann]

the republic credo. question anything? terroist.
country's not doing so hot mr. bush...
terroist.
pretty much...
yep. we could stay in an endless war that's done nothing to make us safer. we could continue to lose lives of innocent people. the economy could continue into the gutter. gas could continue to rise. global warming. and for the love of god those gay homos might be gettin married.

i don't care about taxes and i don't care about healthcare. there's much bigger issues to worry about.

Wow. That last line makes me cringe.

You care about gas prices and global warming... That's a little oxy-moronic don't you think?

Gay marriage? That can be handled at the state level, and like I said, it isn't an issue of constitutionality, if the voters don't want gay marriage, then so be it.

An endless war? I don't think McCain will have any problem getting the troops out when he takes office.

Question anything and it makes your a terrorist? You're starting to sound like Lance.

[THECHICKEN]

I love how the economy is in the gutter when growth hasn't even stopped. We have had a "slower growth period" but no down turn at all yet.

[cmac]

it's just funny to me to see people here, in this extremely prosperous country, hanging out on the internet, making booku money, having fancy things, taking fancy trips, enjoy time with friends, starting families, and enjoying life overall. While other countries have people dodging bullets, starving, government taking all their money, being beaten if the oppose the government, no rights, etc. And our country is a shithole?

cause no one outside of the u.s. has families or enjoys life.
you can't single out 10% of the world, and then say that our country is better than the whole world.
so we have life better than nigeria and iraq. there's lots of other places in the world that have things just as good if not better than the u.s.

[impala454]

the republic credo. question anything? terroist.
country's not doing so hot mr. bush...
terroist.

Where is this the credo? We have dipshits like Michael Moore getting on the public stage saying things like this. Is he labeled a terrorist? No. Is he dragged away and beaten for disagreeing w/the government? NO. It's little asshats like you who take your freedoms for granted and ironically use your freedoms to complain about your lack of freedoms.

we could stay in an endless war that's done nothing to make us safer.

yeah because we'd be really safe if we left that country in turmoil with iran next door building nuclear arms.

we could continue to lose lives of innocent people.

what innocent people? and how are we responsible for losing their lives?

the economy could continue into the gutter.

the economy had a gain, while the media keeps reporting we're in a recession. i dont understand how you get to the gutter by moving up.

gas could continue to rise.

yep, and everyone keeps paying it. what's obama going to do to prevent it?

global warming.

haha this reminds me of that family guy episode where lois runs for mayor, and just says "911" and the people cheer. it's like global warming has become some political buzz word. how you attribute global warming to obama or our country being in a shithole escapes me.

and for the love of god those gay homos might be gettin married.

the people of california voted to ban it, the courts (i.e. government struck down that ban).

i don't care about taxes and i don't care about healthcare.

wow...

there's much bigger issues to worry about.

such as?

[impala454]

you can't single out 10% of the world, and then say that our country is better than the whole world.
so we have life better than nigeria and iraq. there's lots of other places in the world that have things just as good if not better than the u.s.

That's my whole fucking point though! I didn't say we're better, I'm asking you why we're a "shithole".

[cmac]

Where is this the credo?

any time a republican opens his mouth. every hear bush speak? or speak words that resemble sentences.
war war. iraq. wmd. terror. 9/11. osama. iran. everyone wants to kill our babies.

what innocent people? and how are we responsible for losing their lives?

you might have forgot about the iraqi people. i understand it's difficult when most people only think of the people that live here in amercuh. http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
when we decided to play world police.

yep, and everyone keeps paying it. what's obama going to do to prevent it?

explore alternative sources outside of people that don't put money in his own pocket.

such as?

like staying in an endless war. continuing to lose lives. the economy could continue into the gutter. gas could continue to rise. global warming. and for the love of god those gay homos might be gettin married.

[Hartmann]

I love how the economy is in the gutter when growth hasn't even stopped. We have had a "slower growth period" but no down turn at all yet.

Yeah, I'm still trying to find this so called "economic downturn".

any time a republican opens his mouth. every hear bush speak? or speak words that resemble sentences.
war war. iraq. wmd. terror. 9/11. osama. iran. everyone wants to kill our babies.

We need to get you a TV without a broken remote.

[impala454]

any time a republican opens his mouth. every hear bush speak? or speak words that resemble sentences.
war war. iraq. wmd. terror. 9/11. osama. iran. everyone wants to kill our babies.

just FYI, that guy is a comedian doing a bush impersonation.

you might have forgot about the iraqi people. i understand it's difficult when most people only think of the people that live here in amercuh. http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
when we decided to play world police.

So... who killed these people?

explore alternative sources outside of people that don't put money in his own pocket.

alternative sources such as?

[cmac]

you're joking, right?
and we killed those people.

[impala454]

you're joking, right?

about what?

and we killed those people.

how did we kill them?