I am an environmental criminal!!!!! Options

[nickluto]

I cant figure out if you people are retarded before or after you attend Tech. Is tech the cause or just the self-selective prone variable?

I told a joke. Now we are in the midst of an environmental sparring match in which you refuse to believe that I am agreeing with you

Impala, i don't really think I should or need to continue, because as long as I've been on this board, you've been pretty much the king of self-ownership. I stated that I did a quick google search and that my textbook citing the exact article is not with me.

Dogmeat, I need more pics of the playboy bitch in the lovecow thread.

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[nickluto]

How much fucking gas would a snowmobile use in 1 hr? How much fucking gas would a car use in 1,500 miles? Now how in the flyin fuck would the amount of emmissions be even close, much less more on the snowmobile?

Two stroke engines (high specific power, low efficiency) v. 4 stroke engines (lower power, higher efficiency)

if less of the fuel is completely combusted, then more biproducts are released.

furthermore....

As they are currently designed, two-stroke engines - whether in a snowmobile or any other kind of vehicle or device - emit significant amounts of air pollution. One reason is that 20-33% of the fuel goes through the engine and out the tailpipe unburned. Another factor is that in standard two-stroke engines lubricating oil must be mixed with fuel. So lube oil makes up part of the exhaust, including most of the visible haze that snowmobiles produce. Snowmobiles are usually tuned "rich," meaning that there is a high ratio of fuel to oxygen. This improves cold starts and throttle response, but also contributes to emission problems.

[impala454]

You didn't answer the question.

oh and thank you for the completely irrelevant shot on texas tech and insult on my intelligence. as well as the same old bullshit "wahh impala is mean" crybaby responses.

[nickluto]

Snowmobiles are the most environmentally friendly motorsport one can participate in, bar NONE.

I don't care how environmentally friendly you make automobiles, the sheer fact that they are hundreds of millions of them out there make them far "worse" for the environment than the exponentially small numbers of snowmobiles out there in comparison.

there is an obvious logical fallacy in this statement. I'll let you figure it out.

[impala454]

I love how the guy comparing automobiles, which are designed and geared for roads, to snowmobiles, which are designed and geared for snow, comes and tries to point out "logical fallacies".

[impala454]

Hey I got an idea, how about I roll an 18 wheeler down a hill with the engine off, and you drive a prius uphill, and then I'll make the completely logical claim that an 18 wheeler puts out less emissions!

[chook]

Snowmobile output is not regulated, so emissions are pretty high. Its cheaper and more power/displacement.

[impala454]

Yeah it makes sense that it's higher. Is it 1 hr = 1,500 car miles higher though?

[Dogmeat]

yes.
on a mass basis it IS true. because two stroke motors don't burn as efficiently, but provide marginally more power. (did you read the link?)

the statistic is "shocking" because you wouldn't think this is true. It doesn't take new cutting edge research to realize that two-stroke motors are one of the least efficient available. did you read my above post? a.) i was agreeing with you. b.) i never claimed that the sum of all snowmobile C02 > sum of all car CO2. c.) did you read the link at all? It was an EPA study...and was pretty straight forward. If you had trouble understanding it, well, i dont know if that's my fault or not. d.) I already said that even if global warming existed (which I disagree with) that cars and transportation dont make up a very significant part of the pie, so it's a moot point...Did you even read my above post? or did you skip it because it didnt have any boobs in it?

I know. Thats why I posted this. However, I did not make the 6 or 7 (il)logical leaps that the "green folk" do that gets me from snowmobiles ---->>> planetary ruin --> apocalypse. It was just supposed to be a joke.

Then Impala said I was wrong, so I provided a link and you, instead of fapping to skinny bitches with big fake sextits , are taking my words out of context. If anything this quote, to me, proves how little pollution cars do produce, relative to other things. I think most of the hippies out there that drive hybrids are actually doing so out of self-interest so they dont have to spend as much money on gas, yet they tell their friends and everyone else they come in contact with that it is because they are "saving the planet" because, as south park put it, they like the smell of their own farts.

Yes. On a mass basis this is true.

Now figure how many BILLIONS of gallons of gasoline automobiles burn, and compare that to the thousands snowmobiles burn.

There is no comparison as far as total amount of pollution whatsover.

People mowing their lawns in the summer produce more pollutants than people who ride snowmobiles do in the winter time.

Snowmobiles contribute so little overall to pollution it's not even an argument anymore. The greenies realized they weren't gonna win that one, so they moved on to "noise pollution" ... that's now the rallying cry to ban snowmobiles

[chook]

Yeah it makes sense that it's higher. Is it 1 hr = 1,500 car miles higher though?

Unless he changes wikipedia, i wouldn't believe that.

[impala454]

right. that's really the only thing I was arguing. it's those "shocker" type statements that are obviously wrong that really...


not to mention that I think it's pretty pointless to argue 25mph in a snowmobile on snow vs 25mph in an automobile on a road

[nickluto]

In one hour, a typical snowmobile emits as muc hhydrocarbon as a 2001 model automobile emits in 24,300 miles of driving. Snowmobiles also emit as much carbon monoxide in an hour of driving as a 2001 model auto does in 1,520 miles.

Source: James E. McCarthy, Snowmobiles: Environmental Standards and access to National Parks, Congressional Research Service, July 16, 2004.