Stop hiring illegals to do our dirty work Options

[FORSAKENR320]

theres no real incentive.

THIS IS USUALLY THE PROBLEM WITH MEXICANS TOO......


fucking siesta taking taco nabbing welfare moochers.....

[THECHICKEN]

should is a strong word, but encouraged definitely. language skills are horrible among americans.

btw, you forgot about portuguese and french.

Actually i intentionally left out french...

Forgot portuguese though, my main point, however, is that spanish and english are the most dominant languages on this side of the world. In europe there are so many languages that they actually just use English as a go between langauge it seems. Everyone in the world speaks english, which makes Americans lazy... i just think that if other countrys make 3 languages mandatory for children to learn, we can manage ONE more so that we can have better relations with people we racistly see as lesser than ourselves because they speak another language and are largely poorer.

[impala454]

arent a lot of posted signs in the major cities in mexico in spanish and english? i havent gone to mexico city yet (going this summer!) but from the pictures i've been looking at it looks to be that way.

I don't know if they do or not, but that's fine if they want to do that. it has zero bearing on the US and doesn't mean we should.

and "i got no reason to learn spanish" is the same thing mexicans say about english.

not really. everything is in english over here. the mexicans who dont speak/read/write english cry because nothing is in spanish. when 20 million english only speaking americans move to mexico and start complaining because everything's in spanish, go ahead and come back to this thread.

I don't really care what language they speak/know/etc, but nobody here should be forced or required to learn spanish or use spanish on signs & literature.

[THECHICKEN]

I don't know if they do or not, but that's fine if they want to do that. it has zero bearing on the US and doesn't mean we should.
not really. everything is in english over here. the mexicans who dont speak/read/write english cry because nothing is in spanish. when 20 million english only speaking americans move to mexico and start complaining because everything's in spanish, go ahead and come back to this thread.

I don't really care what language they speak/know/etc, but nobody here should be forced or required to learn spanish or use spanish on signs & literature.

Why? English isn't "our" language. They have just as much a right to speak spansih as you do English. They don't have to learn english and with your line of thinking "shouldn't be required to".

[impala454]

Why? English isn't "our" language. They have just as much a right to speak spansih as you do English.

I never said they didn't have a right to speak spanish. I even said it doesn't bother me if they speak spanish.

They don't have to learn english and with your line of thinking "shouldn't be required to".

Again, I didn't say they have to learn english. And no they aren't required to. It's up to them to learn it if they want to, but life would be easier on them if they did.

[jonathan83]

I'll be damned if someone is gonna come over here and demand that a friggin street sign or food label be in spanish.

sometimes i may get defensive about english too, but when you think about it... the spanish language was here long before english was.

arent a lot of posted signs in the major cities in mexico in spanish and english? i havent gone to mexico city yet (going this summer!) but from the pictures i've been looking at it looks to be that way.

it's been a few years but i don't remember any english signs.

[Melanie]

I've seen many signs in Mexico that are in English. Many private schools teach English at an early age. I know of a few public school systems that teach English there, and quite a bit of the private schools also teach French. If you ever have a chance to meet someone from a University from Mexico, many times they are trilingual.

[Inferia]

What are the ESL systems like in Texas or any of the border states? Are there cheap and available programs in Texas to help these immigrants learn English? Learning a new language is pretty hard for anyone. If these programs are not available, it actually pretty hard for people to just "learn English", especially at an older age. Typically it's much easier for them not to learn, especially when they're working with mostly Spanish speakers.

[impala454]

What are the ESL systems like in Texas or any of the border states? Are there cheap and available programs in Texas to help these immigrants learn English? Learning a new language is pretty hard for anyone. If these programs are not available, it actually pretty hard for people to just "learn English", especially at an older age. Typically it's much easier for them not to learn, especially when they're working with mostly Spanish speakers.

But why should it be up to us and our tax dollars or anyone else's money to provide "cheap and available programs" for immigrants to learn english?

[impala454]

sometimes i may get defensive about english too, but when you think about it... the spanish language was here long before english was.

And the native americans before them. Should we all be speaking commanche languages? Should we be grunting at each other like cavemen? They were probably here before the native americans.

[Melanie]

But why should it be up to us and our tax dollars or anyone else's money to provide "cheap and available programs" for immigrants to learn english?

Don't bitch if they don't speak English very well then.

[impala454]

Don't bitch if they don't speak English very well then.

So it's now my fault that they don't speak english very well, because I don't pay for them to learn it?!?!?

Let me get this straight. Person A is born and raised in Mexico. Person A has never seen or heard a word in any language other than Spanish. Person A decides at the age of 25 to move to the United States, legally or illegally, doesn't really matter since nothing gets enforced. So you actually believe that the people of the United States are now financially obligated to provide Person A with classes to learn the english language?!??!!?!?!??! Please do yourself a favor and move to some other country and take your vote along with you.

[Melanie]

Weren't you just bitching though that you wouldn't want to learn their language and they have to learn yours if they move to this country. Well, if you moved to another country that didn't speak English, would you not want to learn that language?

And I like this country, why don't you tell your significant other to move somewhere else and don't try to boss me around.

[impala454]

Weren't you just bitching though that you wouldn't want to learn their language

I don't want to have to learn Spanish to maintain my living in this country, no.

and they have to learn yours if they move to this country. Well, if you moved to another country that didn't speak English, would you not want to learn that language?

I would definitely want to learn the most used language if I moved to another country. But I'm not moving to another country. Immigrants from other countries like China don't seem to have this problem as bad as Mexicans. They just STFU and learn english, as they should.

And I like this country, why don't you tell your significant other to move somewhere else and don't try to boss me around.

I don't have a "significan't other". And don't try bossing me around, by telling me my tax money needs to pay for immigrants to learn english. You completely avoided that question didn't you. Probably because it'd make you look like an idiot if you tried to answer it.

[Inferia]

You don't have to provide the money to set up these ESL programs, but they will make learn English easier and more likely. I'm not saying you can't bitch about people not learning English, you have to acknowledge if there aren't programs teaching it, then it is not so easy.

Now a general rant on education. See, the thing with education is that very often people, students, are blamed for not learning something. Very rarely are teachers actually blamed (I should say punished) for not teaching something. Most people recognize the fact that people learn better when they are taught something. This is why we go to school and are not left to our device to learn stuff. If people are not being taught or taught well, then that makes learning difficult and it lowers the desire to learn as well. This is especially true for the less educated.

Immigrants from other countries like China don't seem to have this problem as bad as Mexicans. They just STFU and learn english, as they should.

You're looking at different social economic brackets here. Most modern day immigrants from China are either highly educated, or here to receive higher education. You can not function in the colleges of this country without knowing English. Immigrants form Mexico are typically not in this bracket (and yes there are some who come here for higher education, etc, they too learn English).