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[pebkac]

http://www.texasgop.org/site/DocServer/PAR....pdf?docID=3581

I got a caucus packet.

I see what you're saying. There is a difference between a caucus and a convention, but whoever it is that you talked to should probably have known what you meant when you said caucus.

[Hartmann]

I see what you're saying. There is a difference between a caucus and a convention, but whoever it is that you talked to should probably have known what you meant when you said caucus.

Yeah, I wasn't mad or anything and I doubt it was deliberate, but I think they should be informed before handing out info.

[impala454]

You cared enough to respond to me.

Exactly. I cared to tell you I didnt give a shit. I did not care what you had to say, which is why I did not quote or respond to it. Note the difference?

[pebkac]

Exactly. I cared to tell you I didnt give a shit. I did not care what you had to say, which is why I did not quote or respond to it. Note the difference?

You keep saying that to me. But the fact that you always seem to have to have the last word on that subject says otherwise.

[The Fanatic]

He said "America". I assume he's part of America. All I asked him is wtf his statement was supposed to mean. I don't really care to hear what you think he meant to say.

Let me clarify and elaborate since you interpreted my post verbatim. By saying that "America" is enslaved I mean the government and the decisions that it makes, which directly effect every American citizen, are dictated, influenced, or whatever you want to call it by corporate and other PACs which pour millions of dollars into US Senators, Congressmen, Presidents and other elected officials. Access to the media and other venues is power and in order to gain that venue MONEY is needed. If I give a prospective presidential candidate 10 dollars and a corporation (using various loopholes and many different PACs) donates millions of dollars; where does his/her loyalty rest??? So, indirectly Americans have lost the free choice associated with the democratic process because candidates are beholden to special interests in Washington and there is no way to curb this problem because the corporations and special interests control who is nominated via their dollars. So in a way, Americans are enslaved by corporations due to the ever increasing influence of the almighty dollar which strips Americans of their fundamental rights. In a way, we are indirectly enslaved and beholden to the corporations.



In God We Trust...

This post has been edited by The Fanatic: Mar 5 2008, 07:38 PM

[Dogmeat]

I shall vote when the McCain is available to be voted for.

[chook]

Come on Sheeple give it to the man!

[impala454]

Let me clarify and elaborate since you interpreted my post verbatim.

I didn't interpret your post verbatim. I simply asked what you meant.

By saying that "America" is enslaved I mean the government and the decisions that it makes,

Let me stop you right there. American citizens choose who represents them in the government. We are indirectly making these decisions with our votes.

which directly effect every American citizen, are dictated, influenced, or whatever you want to call it by corporate and other PACs which pour millions of dollars into US Senators, Congressmen, Presidents and other elected officials. Access to the media and other venues is power and in order to gain that venue MONEY is needed. If I give a prospective presidential candidate 10 dollars and a corporation (using various loopholes and many different PACs) donates millions of dollars; where does his/her loyalty rest??? So, indirectly Americans have lost the free choice associated with the democratic process because candidates are beholden to special interests in Washington and there is no way to curb this problem because the corporations and special interests control who is nominated via their dollars. So in a way, Americans are enslaved by corporations due to the ever increasing influence of the almighty dollar which strips Americans of their fundamental rights. In a way, we are indirectly enslaved and beholden to the corporations.

You didn't explain a damn thing with this entire paragraph. You said you feel you've lost free choice. What free choices have you lost? How are you as a citizen affected by a corporation receiving a tax break? How would you as a citizen be affected if all these "evil" corporations were just immediately slammed by the govt with regulations which bring them to their knees? How about gas prices at $5/gallon? I think you completely misunderstand the importance of large corporations and how important their success is to our capitalist society's economy. What happens when they all start leaving the country for greener pastures?

In God We Trust...

mmk.. whatever that is supposed to mean.

[The Fanatic]

I explained everything in that "damn" paragraph you just lack the ability to comprehend what you read.

You didn't explain a damn thing with this entire paragraph. You said you feel you've lost free choice. What free choices have you lost? How are you as a citizen affected by a corporation receiving a tax break?

Where did I say anything about a tax break in that paragraph? Corporations do not receive tax breaks for political contributions...

How would you as a citizen be affected if all these "evil" corporations were just immediately slammed by the govt with regulations which bring them to their knees?

While I advocate more corporate regulation, even though I did not even address that in this post, I do not want to bring the corporations "to their knees".

How about gas prices at $5/gallon? I think you completely misunderstand the importance of large corporations and how important their success is to our capitalist society's economy. What happens when they all start leaving the country for greener pastures?

Wow, try reading my post next time you want to respond. While I do not agree with our economic system, the argument that I am making has nothing to do with destroying corporations or bringing about some massive socialist revolution. All I am saying is that the money that corporations pump into political campaigns is directly effecting the decisions that politicians make instead of the fear of being voted out of office via angry constituents back home.

mmk.. whatever that is supposed to mean.

Look at the back of U.S. Currency to understand the reference I am making...

Let me stop you right there. American citizens choose who represents them in the government. We are indirectly making these decisions with our votes.

Again, if you would have actually read my post you would understand that yes votes DO COUNT but they are heavily tilted by the money that corporations pump into candidates. Candidates like Huckabee, Joe Biden and Ron Paul never had a chance because they lacked the big contributions from corporations. True free choice has been eliminated by media spending.

[impala454]

I explained everything in that "damn" paragraph you just lack the ability to comprehend what you read.

uh oh, starting to attack the poster and not the post...

Where did I say anything about a tax break in that paragraph? Corporations do not receive tax breaks for political contributions...

I gave a tax break as an example. If that's not a valid one, what is?

While I advocate more corporate regulation, even though I did not even address that in this post, I do not want to bring the corporations "to their knees".

What type of "regulation"?

Wow, try reading my post next time you want to respond.

I did. These types of sentences are a waste of my time bud.

While I do not agree with our economic system, the argument that I am making has nothing to do with destroying corporations or bringing about some massive socialist revolution. All I am saying is that the money that corporations pump into political campaigns is directly effecting the decisions that politicians make instead of the fear of being voted out of office via angry constituents back home.

What decisions are the corporations affecting that you would otherwise make as a voter?

Look at the back of U.S. Currency to understand the reference I am making...

I guess it escapes me. You'll have to explain. I (as you should be able to assume) am well aware that the phrase is on our currency. I fail to see what relevance it has to this conversation.

Again, if you would have actually read my post

I did. Again a waste of my time to read this stupid shit.

you would understand that yes votes DO COUNT but they are heavily tilted by the money that corporations pump into candidates.

In what way are your votes "heavily tilted" by the money corporations donate to candidates?

Candidates like Huckabee, Joe Biden and Ron Paul never had a chance because they lacked the big contributions from corporations.

Huckabee never had a chance because he's too religious. Ron Paul never had a chance because he couldn't keep from saying cooky ass things. People (all people, not just corporations) tend to not donate to campaigns they don't feel will be successful. And what about Mitt Romny and Rudy Giuliani? They both raised far more money than McCain. You gonna blame their failure on the big corporations too?

True free choice has been eliminated by media spending.

So you don't go to the ballot box and choose the candidate you want because of corporations?

[Mommy]

uh oh, starting to attack the poster and not the post...


I gave a tax break as an example. If that's not a valid one, what is?


What type of "regulation"?


I did. These types of sentences are a waste of my time bud.


What decisions are the corporations affecting that you would otherwise make as a voter?


I guess it escapes me. You'll have to explain. I (as you should be able to assume) am well aware that the phrase is on our currency. I fail to see what relevance it has to this conversation.


I did. Again a waste of my time to read this stupid shit.


In what way are your votes "heavily tilted" by the money corporations donate to candidates?


Huckabee never had a chance because he's too religious. Ron Paul never had a chance because he couldn't keep from saying cooky ass things. People (all people, not just corporations) tend to not donate to campaigns they don't feel will be successful. And what about Mitt Romny and Rudy Giuliani? They both raised far more money than McCain. You gonna blame their failure on the big corporations too?


So you don't go to the ballot box and choose the candidate you want because of corporations?

NO ONE knows how to break down a quote like Impala. He takes that trophy hands down without a contender.

[The Fanatic]

*Bangs head against the wall*

[theIncredibleEdi...]

I have election fatigue....make it go away.

[The Fanatic]

Don't worry, If Hillary wins this will be the last election we ever have!

[Testm0nkey]

wait impala, you dont think people have to either be CEO's or have a bunch of corporation backing to make it into politics? is that what your argument boils down to?

corporations are why you see the people you see in mainstream politics. there is no other way to make it that far. id venture to guess that is one of the problems The Fanatic is talking about