Topless protest (someone changed my title, link NSFW Options

[Dogmeat]

Silent protest:

Students in a classroom are opposed to an overly strict absentee policy. They all skip class by standing outside the classroom, with the obvious intent being that they won't return to the classroom unless the policy is changed.

Students are opposed to Bush speaking at their campus.
They go to the rally wearing, let's say...shirts with the Democratic donkey on them and are quiet as church mice, never once applauding or anything.

Little stuff, like that.

Ok, so what was the goal of these silent protests and did they accomplish these goals?

[Psykopath]

Ok, so what was the goal of these silent protests and did they accomplish these goals?

1.) Yes, we got the professor to understand that a severe illness or an unforeseen emergency can cause someone to miss class and that a "zero-tolerance" policy on attendance is a bit too harsh.

2.) Yes, the group accomplishes its goal of showing Bush that not everyone supports him.


Goals can be big or they can be small. Doesn't really matter, protesting is a form of political participation.

This post has been edited by Psykopath: Mar 4 2008, 11:01 PM

[chook]

Dammit, Zach did you change the title of the topic? I wouldn't mind changing it if Spex sent a message to me directly like we were supposed to do things.

[Psykopath]

Dammit, Zach did you change the title of the topic? I wouldn't mind changing it if Spex sent a message to me directly like we were supposed to do things.

Wasn't me.

[impala454]

Yeah, damn those hippies, like those in the south.
They should have been happy in the back of the bus or eating at home instead of restaurants!

I already agreed with you on the example of black people's protesting working. I clearly stated an example of the type of protest I was referring to.

[impala454]

1.) Yes, we got the professor to understand that a severe illness or an unforeseen emergency can cause someone to miss class and that a "zero-tolerance" policy on attendance is a bit too harsh.

So protest is an effective means of change in our country because you and some classmates stood outside like little babies crying about how the professor treats you. Reminds me of some little toddler who misbehaves until mommy buys him the toy he wants. My guess is your professor caved bc he didnt feel like dealing with it and wanted yall to quit actin like little kids and get the hell in the classroom. That's not making change, it's throwing a tantrum so you can get what you want.

2.) Yes, the group accomplishes its goal of showing Bush that not everyone supports him.
Goals can be big or they can be small. Doesn't really matter, protesting is a form of political participation.

Show someone you don't support them by going and listening to them speak and *gasp* not cheering. Damn that is genius! I'm sure Bush was terribly distraught and practically ready to throw in the towel on his career as a politician after that!

[Psykopath]

So protest is an effective means of change in our country because you and some classmates stood outside like little babies crying about how the professor treats you. Reminds me of some little toddler who misbehaves until mommy buys him the toy he wants. My guess is your professor caved bc he didnt feel like dealing with it and wanted yall to quit actin like little kids and get the hell in the classroom. That's not making change, it's throwing a tantrum so you can get what you want.
Show someone you don't support them by going and listening to them speak and *gasp* not cheering. Damn that is genius! I'm sure Bush was terribly distraught and practically ready to throw in the towel on his career as a politician after that!

The "we" was an in general statement.
Never said it was me or that it was real. But hey, assumptions rock for you, that's cool.

And hey, like I said: protests come in all shapes and sizes. The hypothetical (guess I should have stated this in the beginning, but I thought it was assumed...oh well) goal was accomplished: show that not everyone agrees with the president.
Hell, hundreds of thousands marched against shrub's war, and he still didn't care.


Meh, I tire of this. You and Aaron feel protesting is not effective. That's fine, your opinion. It obviously has been, and will be again should the circumstances call for it. I'm just glad I live in a country were protesting, for better or worse, is allowed.

[pysex]

oh my dear lord


why is this 4 pages of dogmeat/impala vs. zach....



protests have an influence when they're done right...

otherwise they're just stupid

bunch of asshats dancing around in the streets

[Dogmeat]

All I stated that started this whole thing was that I didn't think protesting was effective and was stupid. I fail to see how a bunch of fat bitches with their shirts off ranting about something is effective and NOT stupid.

This effectivley makes me a fascist I guess

[impala454]

The "we" was an in general statement.
Never said it was me or that it was real. But hey, assumptions rock for you, that's cool.

Mmmk... "Hey guys, we went to the ball game." Oh, but I didn't really go, I just made that up, you're a dumbass for assuming I was really talking about me and an experience I had.

And hey, like I said: protests come in all shapes and sizes. The hypothetical (guess I should have stated this in the beginning, but I thought it was assumed...oh well) goal was accomplished: show that not everyone agrees with the president.

Your hypothetical protest didn't accomplish anything. Unless you think there are people stupid enough to have the notion that "everyone agrees with the president". And even if there were people stupid enough to believe that, someone going to the president's speech with a democrat shirt on won't change anything.

Meh, I tire of this. You and Aaron feel protesting is not effective. That's fine, your opinion. It obviously has been, and will be again should the circumstances call for it. I'm just glad I live in a country were protesting, for better or worse, is allowed.

We've had two examples of successful protesting, and in those cases I'd call it more of a movement as per the number of people involved. The protesting Aaron and I are talking about are the other 99% of protests that occur. Some dipshits picketing outside abortion clinics harassing people as they go in, people taking off work to camp out at Bush's house because they're against the war. They're fruitless wastes of time and money. There's too many people out there nowadays who do nothing but speak out against something they don't like, rather than speak out for something. I suppose its easiest for a weak mind to be against something rather than for the opposite thing.

[Mommy]

I don't really see where silent protest does much either... Unless it's already a very controversial issue with other things going on as well. With the example of MLK JR., there were other things going on at that time that contributed to his success.

In your example, Zach, students protesting like that would just piss administration off. When young people do things like that, it just looks ignorant. Be at class. It's not hard. *shrug* thats my thoughts.

[Billy]

This is ridiculous...read a god damned history book covering the last 50 years in America.
Are you really this fucking dense or is it just the e-Dogmeat thing?
Yeah, damn those hippies, like those in the south.
They should have been happy in the back of the bus or eating at home instead of restaurants!

How can you argue on techsans when 50% of the people you're arguing with don't know how to read a sentence and understand what the text means put together?

Unless you're just throwing shit out there and watching to see what the morons do. It's usually funny but I think I'm just starting to feel sad for people.

[impala454]

How can you argue on techsans when 50% of the people you're arguing with don't know how to read a sentence and understand what the text means put together?

Unless you're just throwing shit out there and watching to see what the morons do. It's usually funny but I think I'm just starting to feel sad for people.

Like I've said before, once you see a person start attacking the debaters instead of the words or the topic, it's pretty obvious you've expended your arguments or don't have any worthy rebuttals. At least Psykopath will either agree to disagree or tell you he's tired of the topic. Shows your level of intelligence IMHO.

[Dogmeat]

How can you argue on techsans when 50% of the people you're arguing with don't know how to read a sentence and understand what the text means put together?

Unless you're just throwing shit out there and watching to see what the morons do. It's usually funny but I think I'm just starting to feel sad for people.

I've read what he's wrote just fine, I think he just assumed I was insinuating something I wasn't.

[Psykopath]

oh my dear lord
why is this 4 pages of dogmeat/impala vs. zach....
protests have an influence when they're done right...

otherwise they're just stupid

bunch of asshats dancing around in the streets

This.




God damn, Impala/Dogmeat...you two have made me hate the fucking internet.

Well, at least there's still porn!



And yeah, damn...4 pages. WTF, were we all really this bored?
So... Impala: Sticky-noted anymore cars?
Dogmeat: felt up any promiscuous Mormon vaginal goo-pockets lately?

This post has been edited by Psykopath: Mar 5 2008, 03:16 PM