Enslave the Poor Options

[chook]

SO... WHAT? NOW I'M THE 3RD WHEEL?

Only on this trike of LOVE!!


for dogmeat
http://www.zombietime.com/berkeley_marines_2-12-2008/

[pebkac]

I am curious how many on the boards have:

1) Read Marx and Engels
2) Actually comprehend everything they were saying.

I have to admit that I can claim (1) but not entirely (2).

1) yes
2) Well, I understand what they were saying from a sociological standpoint (former Soc major).

[FORSAKENR320]

Only on this trike of LOVE!!

GIGGITY GIGGITY I CAN LIVE WITH THAT

[impala454]

You're oversimplifying in that you believe that communism and mainly socialism have but one definition...no subsets, no divisions, no scales...just one definition. That is wrong.

That's not what I said at all. Read post #61 for the umpteenth time. I don't understand why you keep skewing what I clearly said and then call me wrong.

Newsflash:

WE ARE SAYING THE SAME DEFINITIONS, JUST WITH DIFFERENT WORDS

[impala454]

I forgot that only a degree in WoW skills was valuable this day and age. (oh no, smilies!!)

hell a WoW degree prob would be worth more than poli sci

[Psykopath]

hell a WoW degree prob would be worth more than poli sci

lolz sure thing. *page from Impala's playbook*

newsflash: Communism is a form of socialism. and before you come back with it (and I know you would) no, I did not just say socialism = communism. note the difference.

Socialism has a state.
Communism does not.

Read post # blah blah blah for the "umpteenth time" as well to see where I said you're oversimplifying definitions.
All I am saying it that the definitions are not quite that simple or black-and-white for these two very complex political terms

[The Fanatic]

The communist ideology and connotation has been corrupted by Leninism and Stalinism. While originally Marx's notion of the communism form of government as Zach has pointed out was the ultimate goal of men and parties who called themselves socialists, communists, or international worker's groups. The only problem now is that there has been quite a blending of many different economic, political, and sociological backgrounds in the formation of new "gray" states that can not be categorized quite so easily. A prime example of this is the people's republic of China which was formed out of the core beliefs of stalinism and agrarian communist principles, yet today it is dominated by a capitalist globalized economy. Culture can better explain why the principles of Marx differed from one nation to another. When Marx's principles were applied in western europe they were done so democratically because of the route and history that those states had established in determining the proper socio economic reforms needed to better the people. In places like China and Russia (Russia with it's history of reactionary totalitarian tsarist regimes and China with it's history of emperor worship, huge imperial bureaucracies, and corruption) led these nations to corruptly and in most cases incorrectly apply the concepts of Marx and Engels through massive economic reforms aimed at quickly establishing an industrial capitalist economy. Being as Capitalism was a necessary part of the economic evolution to the eventual communist utopia, these agrarian peasant economies were "forced" to displace and kill millions in order to achieve their goals. To conclude, I would argue that while originally both terms were synonymous, in that socialism was a natural precursor and step (as zach said) to the communist "utopia", these terms do not accurately represent the original ideology set forth. Today, most socialists reject the notion of the "utopia" set forth by Marx realizing that socialist principles of economic redistribution and equality can be achieved within a capitalist framework. Also, communist can no longer be described from a purely philosopical or politcal framework without mentioning the corruption that is Stalinism. So while I would argue that both system came from the same ideology they are no longer synonymous and invoke very different political, social, and economic institutions.

[impala454]

lolz sure thing. *page from Impala's playbook*
Socialism has a state.
Communism does not.

Read post # blah blah blah for the "umpteenth time" as well to see where I said you're oversimplifying definitions.
All I am saying it that the definitions are not quite that simple or black-and-white for these two very complex political terms

Ironic that you can say the defintions are not quite that simple or black-and-white, and in the same post define them with seven words total.

[Psykopath]

Ironic that you can say the defintions are not quite that simple or black-and-white, and in the same post define them with seven words total.

You don't get it, and you refuse to get it/will continue to refuse understanding the point others and myself are trying to make.



And Spivey hit the nail on the head with an f'n sledgehammer. Right on!

[Dogmeat]

I want to see a CuddleWrestling match between zach and impala to see if impala can cuddle with zacn until he turns republican and if zach can cuddle with impala until he turns democrat

[Psykopath]

I want to see a CuddleWrestling match between zach and impala to see if impala can cuddle with zacn until he turns republican and if zach can cuddle with impala until he turns ...

I'm not aligned with any party, as I have states a billion times before.
I've voted Republican, Independent, and Libertarian many time before in past elections.










...but I'll still cuddle.

[FORSAKENR320]

You don't get it, and you refuse to get it/will continue to refuse understanding the point others and myself are trying to make.
And Spivey hit the nail on the head with an f'n sledgehammer. Right on!

notice how impala has ignored spivey's post completely, where as he NORMALLY breaks te post down and tries to attack each little part.......

[Psykopath]

notice how impala has ignored spivey's post completely, where as he NORMALLY breaks te post down and tries to attack each little part.......

I know, right. His MO is AMAAAAAAAAAAAAAZING. heh

BTW: Mess sets came in the mail. They are nice!

[Mommy]

You know what I think is funny.... y'all bitch about Impala and how he is arrogant and whatnot then he stops posting and everyone is like WAHHHH WHERE DID IMPALA GO and then he comes back and everyone is bitching again.

LOLERCOPTER

[The Fanatic]

I like Impala. I always enjoy a good argument.