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 Feb 28 2008, 04:25 PM
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 From Atlantis to Interzone Group: Global Moderators Posts: 2,512 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Somewhere in space and time Member No.: 65  |
According to Marx, Communism is a more radical form of Socialism. He spends plenty of time pointing out previous Socialist movements and why they failed.
His idea was that society would progress from varying levels of government control until society eventually becomes so communal that the government is no longer necessary. In modern use, Communism is used to refer to a Soviet-style system without free elections whereas Socialism is used to refer to a system with free elections where workers have more choice. Personally, I would argue that they're just different versions of the same thing. (and both are used WAY too much as "devil words" that are supposed to make an opposing argument immediately wrong) -------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM)  Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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Feb 28 2008, 04:28 PM
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
QUOTE (and both are used WAY too much as "devil words" that are supposed to make an opposing argument immediately wrong) thats the only thing this thread has been about since page 1 -------------------- Little monkeys making money
Naked monkey looking funny Mighty males are strong and free Female monkey, not so lucky Rocking monkeys, funky monkeys Monkeys sticking other monkeys Monkeys wrong or monkeys right Mostly flexing monkey might |
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Feb 28 2008, 05:27 PM
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 Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (pebkac @ Feb 28 2008, 04:25 PM) According to Marx, Communism is a more radical form of Socialism. He spends plenty of time pointing out previous Socialist movements and why they failed. His idea was that society would progress from varying levels of government control until society eventually becomes so communal that the government is no longer necessary. In modern use, Communism is used to refer to a Soviet-style system without free elections whereas Socialism is used to refer to a system with free elections where workers have more choice. Personally, I would argue that they're just different versions of the same thing. (and both are used WAY too much as "devil words" that are supposed to make an opposing argument immediately wrong) Damn we need some fabric sound dampening panels in this thread or something. The echo is horrendous... like psycho, please see post #61. |
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Feb 28 2008, 05:31 PM
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From Atlantis to Interzone Group: Global Moderators Posts: 2,512 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Somewhere in space and time Member No.: 65 |
QUOTE (impala454 @ Feb 28 2008, 05:27 PM) Damn we need some fabric sound dampening panels in this thread or something. The echo is horrendous... like psycho, please see post #61. Ok... So then we agree? I'm not sure what you're getting at here. -------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM) Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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Feb 28 2008, 05:42 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
Yeah looks that way
 I thought you were doing what psycho was and trying to disagree with me by agreeing |
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Feb 28 2008, 06:22 PM
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 Why so serious? Group: Global Moderators Posts: 5,286 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Fate, TX Member No.: 4 |
QUOTE (impala454 @ Feb 28 2008, 05:42 PM) Yeah looks that way I thought you were doing what psycho was and trying to disagree with me by agreeing wow May want to read more than World of Warcraft manuals sometime. I pointed out how your exaggerated statements were wrong...and you know what? Fuck it. You're doing the fingers-in-the-ears blah blah i'm-right-you're-wrong thing yet again. -------------------- |
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Feb 29 2008, 01:03 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (Psykopath @ Feb 28 2008, 06:22 PM) May want to read more than World of Warcraft manuals sometime. I have. QUOTE (Psykopath @ Feb 28 2008, 06:22 PM) I pointed out how your exaggerated statements were wrong... No you didn't. You were explaining to me the exact same concept I had explained in post #61, hence why I pointed you to that post. |
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Feb 29 2008, 02:09 PM
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Why so serious? Group: Global Moderators Posts: 5,286 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Fate, TX Member No.: 4 |
QUOTE (impala454 @ Feb 29 2008, 01:03 PM) I have. No you didn't. You were explaining to me the exact same concept I had explained in post #61, hence why I pointed you to that post. To put it simply, you're oversimplifying political terms to fit your personal definitions. But hey, what do I know about political science? 
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Feb 29 2008, 02:25 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (Psykopath @ Feb 29 2008, 02:09 PM) To put it simply, you're oversimplifying political terms to fit your personal definitions. In what way did I oversimplify? I said communism is a subset of socialism. "My personal definitions"??? I didn't "personalize" any definitions. I went straight to the damn dictionary. QUOTE (Psykopath @ Feb 29 2008, 02:09 PM) But hey, what do I know about political science? Oh geez... are you one of those people who wasted their $40k on a poli sci degree? I guess that makes you the poli sci expert with the ability to google marx quotes that much better than me. |
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Feb 29 2008, 04:52 PM
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Why so serious? Group: Global Moderators Posts: 5,286 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Fate, TX Member No.: 4 |
QUOTE (impala454 @ Feb 29 2008, 02:25 PM) In what way did I oversimplify? I said communism is a subset of socialism. "My personal definitions"??? I didn't "personalize" any definitions. I went straight to the damn dictionary. Oh geez... are you one of those people who wasted their $40k on a poli sci degree? I guess that makes you the poli sci expert with the ability to google marx quotes that much better than me. Sure did waste $40k on a degree that's a perfect set-up for either grad school or law school, or the other job options I'm currently exploring. I forgot that only a degree in WoW skills was valuable this day and age.  (oh no, smilies!!)You're oversimplifying in that you believe that communism and mainly socialism have but one definition...no subsets, no divisions, no scales...just one definition. That is wrong. I've told you why it is wrong, but you just don't care to hear/read anything that disagrees with your views on the way the world works. -------------------- |
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Feb 29 2008, 05:25 PM
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I am curious how many on the boards have:
1) Read Marx and Engels 2) Actually comprehend everything they were saying. I have to admit that I can claim (1) but not entirely (2). --------------------  |
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Feb 29 2008, 09:16 PM
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Why so serious? Group: Global Moderators Posts: 5,286 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Fate, TX Member No.: 4 |
QUOTE (blaarg @ Feb 29 2008, 05:25 PM) I am curious how many on the boards have: 1) Read Marx and Engels 2) Actually comprehend everything they were saying. I have to admit that I can claim (1) but not entirely (2). 1.) Yes, several times/several readings. 2.) Only Marx and Engels could ever fully understand Marx and Engels. 
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Mar 1 2008, 04:03 AM
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 Oh baby bring me down  Group: Agents Posts: 4,115 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Way out yonder Member No.: 68 |
QUOTE (Psykopath @ Feb 29 2008, 09:16 PM) 1.) Yes, several times/several readings. 2.) Only Marx and Engels could ever fully understand Marx and Engels. 1. Who would want to? 2. Who would want to? I'll point at my old roommate. -------------------- Southern Rock, beer and bears!
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Mar 1 2008, 04:17 AM
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Why so serious? Group: Global Moderators Posts: 5,286 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Fate, TX Member No.: 4 |
QUOTE (chook @ Mar 1 2008, 04:03 AM) 1. Who would want to? 2. Who would want to? I'll point at my old roommate.  Come cuddle. 
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Mar 1 2008, 04:49 AM
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 GORILLA FLUFFER Group: Agents Posts: 7,711 Joined: 23-February 06 From: lubbock Member No.: 50 |
QUOTE (Psykopath @ Mar 1 2008, 04:17 AM) Come cuddle. SO... WHAT? NOW I'M THE 3RD WHEEL? --------------------  QUOTE (Jessica @ May 7 2007, 01:15 PM) but yeehaw dammit. YEEHAW QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Jun 26 2008, 07:51 PM) ok once upon a time I jacked myself off retarded. Licking anuses, one kindergarten class at a time!! |
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