A Democrat ..r--r---r----rig an election? NO! NEVER! Options

[Dogmeat]

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/superde...2/17/73334.html

<awaits the hippi defense of the democrats>


anyways, while you're all stumbeling around trying to defend this, which is basically an admission that she WOULD rig the election if she could to get elected...


well nevermind that's all that needs to be said.

heh

[Spectatrix]

Well, Superdelegates can and will do whatever the fuck they want. I don't like it, but that's the way it is. Many will, however, vote with their state. Their jobs may hinge on it.

I do, however, strongly disagree that delegates from Florida and Michigan should count. I disagree with the Dem party stripping of their delegates, but candidates got their names removed from the ballots, declined to campaign there, etc. BASED on that knowledge. To restore their delegates after the fact would be profoundly unfair.

[Psykopath]

Well, Superdelegates can and will do whatever the fuck they want. I don't like it, but that's the way it is. Many will, however, vote with their state. Their jobs may hinge on it.

I do, however, strongly disagree that delegates from Florida and Michigan should count. I disagree with the Dem party stripping of their delegates, but candidates got their names removed from the ballots, declined to campaign there, etc. BASED on that knowledge. To restore their delegates after the fact would be profoundly unfair.

Agree 100%

[pebkac]

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/superde...2/17/73334.html

<awaits the hippi defense of the democrats>
anyways, while you're all stumbeling around trying to defend this, which is basically an admission that she WOULD rig the election if she could to get elected...
well nevermind that's all that needs to be said.

heh

Trailing Obama in the nomination race after losing eight straight contests to the Illinois senator, Clinton and her advisers suggested hundreds of "superdelegates" -- party activists and elected lawmakers attending the Democratic convention in August -- were not bound by the results of voting in their states, US media reported.

I fail to see how Hillary stating the truth means her wanting to rig the election.

Well, Superdelegates can and will do whatever the fuck they want. I don't like it, but that's the way it is. Many will, however, vote with their state. Their jobs may hinge on it.

I do, however, strongly disagree that delegates from Florida and Michigan should count. I disagree with the Dem party stripping of their delegates, but candidates got their names removed from the ballots, declined to campaign there, etc. BASED on that knowledge. To restore their delegates after the fact would be profoundly unfair.

I would argue that it's more unfair to deprive millions of people of their votes in the election.

[Melanie]

Well, Superdelegates can and will do whatever the fuck they want. I don't like it, but that's the way it is. Many will, however, vote with their state. Their jobs may hinge on it.

I do, however, strongly disagree that delegates from Florida and Michigan should count. I disagree with the Dem party stripping of their delegates, but candidates got their names removed from the ballots, declined to campaign there, etc. BASED on that knowledge. To restore their delegates after the fact would be profoundly unfair.

COMPLETELY AGREED!

I received this from a friend of mine who is a political activist in Michigan. He sent it to a bunch of party activists, including the Governor of Michigan who is a Clinton supporter. He's kind of in the hot seat now that this email was made public around Michigan.

From: Michael D. Mendez
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 12:24:39 AM
Subject: Now is the time to take Action for a Michigan Caucus - Movement Grows!

Obama Democratic Future Committee continues to organize.



Movement for Caucus Vote in Michigan Grows



14th Congressional District Organization to send letter to DNC Chair Howard Dean urging him to support a creative solution and to consider a caucus



See action Steps below by the Obama Democratic Future Committee:



Many in Michigan feel disenfranchised by the January 15 Primary.



At this time with the race for the nomination in a near deadlock, we believe our Party leaders and elected officials with power should not do what they think is in the best interest of their endorsed candidate or personal gain but do what’s in the best interest of Michigan, the Democratic Party and a more fair process. We believe that the Michigan Democratic Party should move swiftly to organize a caucus to give Michigan Democrats an opportunity to participate in the selection of our party’s nominee. MDP Chair Mark Brewer says we should be open to this possibility. We agree. A caucus will grow our Democratic movement, bring new people into the Democratic Party, force the Dem Presidential Candidates to address Michigan issues, and help remove feelings of disenfranchisement that will haunt us this November in Florida and Michigan .



Currently, Obama and Clinton get no delegates from Michigan . We can do better.



If the Democratic Party expects to win our electoral votes in November they should give Michigan Dems a chance to vote for Obama or Clinton. The MDP has the capacity to hold a caucus. A caucus was held in 2004 (with innovative on-line voting) and in preparation for this year’s process the MDP already has proposed plans that could be implemented through county and district democratic chairs across the state. The MDP preparations for an early caucus gave them the flexibility to hold a caucus on five different dates and the ability to move the date with ease.



History will show who stood up for a fair process and who put personal politics over people.



We commend the 14th Congressional District Democratic Party Organization for urging DNC Chair Howard Dean to work towards a creative solution and to give strong consideration to supporting a caucus vote. Earlier today, the Michigan Young Democrats voted to support a caucus.



At our 2.9.08 meeting we decided to take the following action steps:



Action Steps:

1. Call for a Caucus in Michigan! We need to support Michigan Democratic Party leaders who want to hold a Caucus.

2. Write to the Michigan Democratic Party at: 606 Townsend Street, Lansing , MI , 48933. Call the MDP at 517-371-5410. Demand a Caucus. ( We will send out a list of specific MDP and DNC Members to contact soon) Contact all Democratic Elected officials, labor leaders and Party officials.

3. Stand with the 14th Congressional District Democratic Party Organization in urging DNC Chair Howard Dean to support a Caucus


DNC Chairman Gov. Howard Dean Direct Contact
http://www.democrats.org/page/petition /chairman

DNC Issues Contact
http://www.democrats.org/page/s/contac tissues
Democratic Party: Issues
(Select "Election 2008" from "Issue" drop down menu)


MAILING ADDRESS:
Democratic National Committee
ATTN: Howard Dean
430 S. Capitol St. SE
Washington, DC 20003


MAIN PHONE NUMBER:
202-863-8000



4. Ask (5) Friends to join you in urging the MDP to hold a Caucus

5. Join the Michigan Democratic Party online at www.michigandems.com Help Bring new people into the process.

6. Get online to encourage others to call for a caucus and to join our next meeting: www.barackobama.com; www.facebook.com; www.myspace.com; www.meetup.com

7. Use your spare time to phonebank. You can volunteer to do this on www.barackobama.com. You can do this from your own home/cell phone on your own time.

8. Ohio - brainstorm on how we can assist Ohio before (or on) their Tuesday, March 4th Primary.



Next Obama Democratic Future Meeting: Saturday, February 16th. 6-9pm at Bert's on Broadway Downtown. Located at 1315 Broadway in Detroit

*Please try and bring (1) person with you to the next meeting.



SPREAD the Word!



Obama Democratic Future on Facebook!

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=10129021430



For more info, contact Al “BJ” Williams at 313-657-1845 or alwilliams316@hotmail.com or Jeff Nzoma at

Jeff.Nzoma@gmail.com or Michael Mendez at md.mendez@yahoo.com

[Spectatrix]

I fail to see how Hillary stating the truth means her wanting to rig the election.
I would argue that it's more unfair to deprive millions of people of their votes in the election.

They'd have to re-vote. I'm pretty sure Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan (maybe Florida too). It's a little dumb that they got stripped of their delegates, but the state parties KNEW that when they set the dates for their primaries.

[Melanie]

Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, John Edwards, Bill Richardson and Barack Obama were not on the Michigan or Florida ballots. The only three choices were Clinton, Gravel, and Kucinich

[Spectatrix]

Thanks, Mel. That's about what I thought.

[Melanie]

You're welcome. I gotta keep tabs on my future baby daddy and his opponents.

He's coming to San Antonio tomorrow!!!!!! :-)