Awww... poor republicans Options

[FORSAKENR320]

did you also know domestic violence, incest, child abuse is become more and more common and widespread? its also spread equally between all races and SES. its not a "oh its only poor minorities so they dont count as people"
america has no priorities

i'd like to see documentation of this please. i don't disagree, i see pretty much the same ting you said at work

[rabble]

Couldn't have said it better myself
Yeah, unfounded fear. There's really not any terrorists out there who want to kill us, no need to rush into legislation that's vital to our national security before we go on vacation for a week... just put it off, no big deal.

THE TURRISTS WILL GET US!

Shut the fuck up and go live under a fucking rock if you're so fucking scared of an attack. This legislation IS NOT vital to our security, in fact, the FISA court has been enacted for 30 fucking years. There is no reason that any corporation should be given a free pass to spy on anyone at the government's ILLEGITIMATE request. If you are tracking a threat its damn easy to go get a warrant...because you already know they are a threat. Anything else is a fishing expedition and has no merit in a court of law.
I don't pay my hard earned money in taxes so they can turn around and spy on me, fuck that. But hey, someone is out there, just waiting to get me, so why don't I let the government install a camera in my house so they can make sure I'm safe! HELL YEA!

I thought republicans were for smaller government and less taxes...hmmm

(another fun fact, the only foreign terrorist attack on our soil happened with a republican president and a republican congress. Seems kind of odd that they are the only ones who can protect us, especially when they ignored vital intelligence about the very attack they claimed not to know anything about."

[Dogmeat]

Your political leanings make me sick if this is what you truly believe.

(and thought I'd fix that spelling...second time I've seen you put it that way, heh)

How does that make you sick?

I'd like to be able to have my avatar on here be Allah with the bomb for a turbine without getting killed by the ruling fascist islamic regime that seems to be hell-bent on eventually taking over our country.

We must destroy Islam ..... AGAIN.

We need to elect King Arthur or whoever that guy was....

[impala454]

THE TURRISTS WILL GET US!

Shut the fuck up and go live under a fucking rock if you're so fucking scared of an attack. This legislation IS NOT vital to our security, in fact, the FISA court has been enacted for 30 fucking years. There is no reason that any corporation should be given a free pass to spy on anyone at the government's ILLEGITIMATE request. If you are tracking a threat its damn easy to go get a warrant...because you already know they are a threat. Anything else is a fishing expedition and has no merit in a court of law.
I don't pay my hard earned money in taxes so they can turn around and spy on me, fuck that. But hey, someone is out there, just waiting to get me, so why don't I let the government install a camera in my house so they can make sure I'm safe! HELL YEA!

Yeah you're right, we don't have anything to worry about. Nobody wants to kill us or anything. Let's just not ever investigate anything, because I'm sure if someone wants to come kill us they'll come with fighter jets and in tanks right? I mean nobody would quietly infiltrate our country and organize attacks from within would they? And no, I'm not that worried about an attack, so long as the government has the leadway to investigate things they should. And also no, the government isn't listening to your 900# phone calls.

I thought republicans were for smaller government and less taxes...hmmm

Don't use buzz words you don't understand. "Big government" refers to wanting a committee/department for everything possible that happens in your everyday life under control of the federal government. This bill is talking about letting existing government programs properly investigate leads. This bill also is not raising taxes. I dunno where the hell you got that idea.

(another fun fact, the only foreign terrorist attack on our soil happened with a republican president and a republican congress. Seems kind of odd that they are the only ones who can protect us, especially when they ignored vital intelligence about the very attack they claimed not to know anything about."

Well while you're checking fun facts and blaming events on a certain group of people, perhaps you should look beyond the tinfoil hat sites that Lance pastes. The 911 attacks were planned and intelligence ignored during the Clinton presidency. Have you also forgotten that Clinton had operatives with crosshairs on Osama and he wouldn't give them the order? Everything I've read shows that the planning went back as far as 1998.

Walks outs are neither bickering nor disagreeing

it's walking out

last i checked that's not a form of debate

Last I checked I wasn't calling it a form of debate.

[rabble]

oh god, you're totally right!

Hay guys don't get on the/enter the (insert anything ever) because it isn't safe. I hope you get arrested for voicing your opinion one day because that's where you're heading. If you actually bothered to read anything, the sunset provisions on domestic spying don't enact for six more months. But you're right, the govt should be able to enter my house without a reason and tear eveything apart because they have to protect me from the unknown threat, because that's also where you are headed.

I drew the line at domestic spying, where do you draw yours?

Additionally, I don't have a tinfoil hat on and I know they don't care about me. That's not the point, I don't even want them to have the option...ever...that's the point.

Dumbass

[impala454]

oh god, you're totally right!

Hay guys don't get on the/enter the (insert anything ever) because it isn't safe. I hope you get arrested for voicing your opinion one day because that's where you're heading.

Haha ok... ability to investigate possible terrorists threat = having freedom of speech revoked. And you're calling me paranoid?

If you actually bothered to read anything, the sunset provisions on domestic spying don't enact for six more months.

What did you read that made you think this bill revokes your right to free speech and allows the government to break into your home and tear everything apart?

But you're right, the govt should be able to enter my house without a reason and tear eveything apart because they have to protect me from the unknown threat, because that's also where you are headed.

Again... who's the paranoid one now?

I drew the line at domestic spying, where do you draw yours?

Well by your thinking then, what's to stop anybody who wants to from coming into the country and pulling another 911?

Additionally, I don't have a tinfoil hat on and I know they don't care about me. That's not the point, I don't even want them to have the option...ever...that's the point.

Dumbass

Yeah, you don't have a tinfoil hat on, you just think the government is out to get you and everyone else . Call me the dumbass though

[blaarg]

I am also curious, where do you draw the line Impala?
When does the government enacting measures to protect us border with uncomfortable intrusion into our personal lives?
It seems that rabble thinks wiretapping is it for him, what about you?

I'm just curious (I don't believe there is anything that I've written that would elicit your dreaded emoticons...).

[Dogmeat]

See, if we'd just nuke islams in the middle east we wouldn't have to worry about them coming over here so the guvment wouldn't have to spy on ol' us! HAW!

[rabble]

nothing is going to stop a determined enemy. The system that has been I'm place for 30 years has seemed to do the job well enough. I don't see why stripping away the protections our forefathers fought and died for to bring an unmeasureable amount of security is a good thing.

My line is the line that has been in place since I've been alive, and I'm not willing to trade any of it because I am afraid of an unknown threat, everyone will die oneday, that is a fact of life. I'd rather go in a coffeshop while I'm happy, than go in a governmemt gulaug because a disagreed with popular opinion. It really is a slippery slope, so your line might be farther down than mine, but when they reach yours, you might not be able to say anything at all, right winston?

[rabble]

Yeah, you don't have a tinfoil hat on, you just think the government is out to get you and everyone else . Call me the dumbass though

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came....

Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

[pebkac]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came....

Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

LERN2LINK

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm..._Niemoeller.jpg

This post has been edited by pebkac: Feb 17 2008, 09:16 PM

[impala454]

I am also curious, where do you draw the line Impala?
When does the government enacting measures to protect us border with uncomfortable intrusion into our personal lives?
It seems that rabble thinks wiretapping is it for him, what about you?

I'm just curious (I don't believe there is anything that I've written that would elicit your dreaded emoticons...).

There's not a line to draw IMHO. It's not a black and white issue, as is typically made on these boards. Will some people be wrongly wiretapped? Sure. Will some plans to kill Americans be foiled? Yep. Let's be frank, in matters of national security, the NSA/CIA/FBI will do whatever the hell they want to try to get to the bottom of it. In a nuclear world, I see nothing wrong with getting the information they need.

[impala454]

nothing is going to stop a determined enemy.

This is wrong. There are plenty of people out there determined to kill us all. And yet we're still here.

The system that has been I'm place for 30 years has seemed to do the job well enough. I don't see why stripping away the protections our forefathers fought and died for to bring an unmeasureable amount of security is a good thing.

Our forefathers didn't live in a world where attacks could be coordinated with cell phones. They also didn't live in a world where five dudes with boxcutters could cripple our nation's biggest financial center and kill multiple thousands of people on a whim.

My line is the line that has been in place since I've been alive, and I'm not willing to trade any of it because I am afraid of an unknown threat, everyone will die oneday, that is a fact of life. I'd rather go in a coffeshop while I'm happy, than go in a governmemt gulaug because a disagreed with popular opinion. It really is a slippery slope, so your line might be farther down than mine, but when they reach yours, you might not be able to say anything at all, right winston?

So if some judge (who's part of the evil government) says its ok for them to tap your line, that makes you feel fine with it, and not be upset that your rights given to you by our forefathers are being curtailed?

[impala454]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came....

Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

WTF does this have to do with anything? What "group" is the government after? Everyone? And you were trying to use this to prove that you're not paranoid about the government?!?!?

[Oasis]

THEY ARE SPENDING HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INVESTIGATED THE PATRIOTS CHEATING SCANDAL WHEN FED. ORGANIZATIONS LIKE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN AND FAMILIES - CPS etc GET BUDGETED LESS THAN WHAT THEY SPEND ON THAT IN A WEEK!?

i hate america and their belief in "families" because its untrue
did you also know domestic violence, incest, child abuse is become more and more common and widespread? its also spread equally between all races and SES. its not a "oh its only poor minorities so they dont count as people"
america has no priorities

Are you saying wasting millions in tax dollars investigating cheating and using using drugs in the entertainment industry is a waste of time?

If so I agree and it makes me sick to my fucking stomach