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QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Feb 4 2008, 04:36 PM)  edit: i totally agree with taking drug ads off the television/media. the US is one of the last countries to even allow that Wouldn't that be a violation of the Pharmaceutical Cos 1st amendment rights though? If nothing else, we should limit the amount of advertising they can do. -------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM) Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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Feb 5 2008, 09:58 AM
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QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Feb 4 2008, 04:36 PM) and hospitals do their damn hardest to not "absorb the cost" they will go to the ends of the earth before they do that. You mean like continually sending bills? Yeah, that's to be expected. -------------------- "There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: that of the fashionable non-conformist." |
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Feb 5 2008, 10:07 AM
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Group: Admin Posts: 3,402 Joined: 23-February 06 From: PDX/TXL Member No.: 35 |
QUOTE (pebkac @ Feb 5 2008, 09:50 AM) Wouldn't that be a violation of the Pharmaceutical Cos 1st amendment rights though? If nothing else, we should limit the amount of advertising they can do. No, I think we should limit the type of advertising they do. What the drug companies have done is taken the doctor out of a doctor and simply made him a signer of prescriptions. Doctors used to listen, ask really good questions, and take an interest in an illness. Now patients come in, say they have anxiety and want zoloft. Prescription drugs, in my opinion, are not products, if they were then why don't the drug companies advertise codeine? -------------------- "There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: that of the fashionable non-conformist." |
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Feb 5 2008, 10:19 AM
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 Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (Jessica @ Feb 5 2008, 03:24 AM) If by Communist healthcare you mean forcing EVERYONE to pay for health insurance, not just those that actually realize its a necessity... then a lot We're talking about a fundamental principle our society is founded on. You're only responsible for yourself. Any responsibilities you have which effect others are regulated by the government. Which is why you're required to have auto liability insurance, mortgage insurance when your equity is below X%, flood insurance when you live in a flood plain, etc. These are all factors that effect not just you, but others. Your health and how you maintain it is your choice. If you don't choose to get health insurance, it has zero effect on me. If I don't have auto liability insurance though, and run someone over and injure them, it effects them greatly. Do you see what I'm saying? Yes, people should have health insurance, but should and required to is a very fine line I'd rather the government not cross. I don't need Hillary to try to be my mommy and make me go to the doctor if I don't want to, or because I'm too stupid not to, or because I'll pay $150/mo for cable/internet but won't pay $60/mo for health insurance. I also don't need Hillary choosing which doctor I go to, or implementing policy that makes it take 10x longer for me to get healthcare if I need it. |
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Feb 5 2008, 10:24 AM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
QUOTE (pebkac @ Feb 5 2008, 09:50 AM) Wouldn't that be a violation of the Pharmaceutical Cos 1st amendment rights though? If nothing else, we should limit the amount of advertising they can do. The 1st Amendment applies to individuals, not corporations. -------------------- |
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Feb 5 2008, 10:37 AM
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From Atlantis to Interzone Group: Global Moderators Posts: 2,512 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Somewhere in space and time Member No.: 65 |
QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Feb 5 2008, 10:24 AM) The 1st Amendment applies to individuals, not corporations. Not true. Corporations are considered juristic persons and have some (but not all) constitutional rights protected. They have a right to freedom of speech, but not freedom of religion. -------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM) Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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Feb 5 2008, 11:03 AM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
Hrm, I stand corrected.
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Feb 5 2008, 12:05 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
So what about Winston's or Marlboro's first amendment rights? Once again I think "right to free speech" is being confused with "right to be on broadcast television". Being on TV is not a first amendment right.
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Feb 5 2008, 04:41 PM
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 Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
You are half right chuck. It only becomes a first amendment issue when the government becomes involved. So, when the government attempts to restrict the advertising rights of any said company, except in the event of protecting the public good, first amendment rights are violated. The real solution is to change the way that corporations are currently viewed as Jason pointed out.
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Feb 5 2008, 05:37 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
No I was fully right
 . The FCC regulates a lot more than cigarette companies' advertising rights. Again, TV is not a first amendment right. If it was, I could watch pr0n on the evening news without government interference.
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Feb 5 2008, 05:41 PM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ Feb 5 2008, 05:37 PM) No I was fully right . The FCC regulates a lot more than cigarette companies' advertising rights. Again, TV is not a first amendment right. If it was, I could watch pr0n on the evening news without government interference.The FCC is frequently criticized for violating first amendment rights. 
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Feb 5 2008, 05:41 PM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ Feb 5 2008, 05:37 PM) No I was fully right The FCC has a lot more control over the local stations (CBS NBC FOX ABC) than they do the other stations. I can give a big long answer on why that is, but ill spare everyone the reading
. The FCC regulates a lot more than cigarette companies' advertising rights. Again, TV is not a first amendment right. If it was, I could watch pr0n on the evening news without government interference. |
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Feb 5 2008, 05:44 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (Jessica @ Feb 5 2008, 05:41 PM) The FCC has a lot more control over the local stations (CBS NBC FOX ABC) than they do the other stations. I can give a big long answer on why that is, but ill spare everyone the reading Short answer: local stations are public broadcast televsion. QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Feb 5 2008, 05:41 PM) The FCC is frequently criticized for violating first amendment rights. criticism and court are two different things
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Feb 5 2008, 05:45 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
Speaking of the topic, that stupid cunt is coming to Houston Feb 28th:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5515009.html QUOTE WASHINGTON — Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton has agreed to participate in a presidential debate scheduled for Feb. 28 in Houston, her campaign said today. The Greater Houston Partnership and the Sierra Club Foundation have long been trying to lure the candidates to a debate at the George R. Brown Convention Center just five days before the March 4 Texas primary. MSNBC has promised to air the event, with NBC News' Washington Bureau Chief Tim Russert moderating. It was not immediately clear whether Clinton's opponent for the Democratic nomination, Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, would likewise agree to participate. Both have said they expect their race to continue past today's Super Tuesday primaries. The Houston debate would come one day after a debate in Ohio to be aired by CNN. Ohio also holds primaries March 4. The campaign said Sen. Clinton of New York also has agreed to participate in a Feb. 10 debate on ABC's This Week and a Feb. 11 debate on Fox. The Partnership and Sierra Club Foundation also hope to attract the Republican candidates to a separate debate on Feb. 28 if the race for the GOP nomination is still competitive at that point. wonder who the hell she'll debate with if obama doesn't come... |
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Feb 5 2008, 05:46 PM
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all I know is, the last thing in the world that needs to happen is for the mother fucking federal government to get even more of my god damned money than they already do.
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