Exxon Mobil posts $40.6 billion annual profit, breaks record for largest annual profit by a U.S. company Options

[Dogmeat]

It's clean, but ridiculously expensive to produce.

I think it's more the opposite.

It's dirty as hell, but electricity (needed to produce hydrogen) is cheap because electricity is produced by burning coal, which is the filthiest (and cheapest) fuel in use today ....

[Testm0nkey]

toyota is working on plans to release a fully plug in version of the prius. the later releases of the 09' may already have the lithium ion/plug in capability.

i have no doubt fully electric vehicles will be released to the mainstream public in my lifetime and be popular

besides already having electric cars. and burning coal is not the only way to produce electricity

[Dogmeat]

toyota is working on plans to release a fully plug in version of the prius. the later releases of the 09' may already have the lithium ion/plug in capability.

i have no doubt fully electric vehicles will be released to the mainstream public in my lifetime and be popular

besides already having electric cars. and burning coal is not the only way to produce electricity

No, it's not, but it's the cheapest.

Sure, you can have all this hippi-powered solar and wind shit, but that's STILL enormously expensive, and I'm sure that everyone will love having the 1.5MW wind turbine every 1.37 acres or whatever it was all over the entire US to make enough power to make it viable

[Testm0nkey]

wind power is pretty efficient already and becoming more and more. hell out at reese an international company is setting up studies for new wind harnessing energy techniques that are supposed to be cheaper nad better. and besides it wont ever cover all of the US because not everywhere in the US is a good source for wind

you lower peoples use of energy and wind power in addition to other clean sources can work. americans waste soooo much energy.

[Dogmeat]

wind power is pretty efficient already and becoming more and more. hell out at reese an international company is setting up studies for new wind harnessing energy techniques that are supposed to be cheaper nad better. and besides it wont ever cover all of the US because not everywhere in the US is a good source for wind

According to the DOE study I cited for that whole wind/solar/hydrogen energy project I worked on for my Sr. Design classes West Texas and Wyoming were the two windiest states in the nation and the study also said that if you could effectivley produce 1.5MW per 1.37 acres in the areas where the average wind speed was something like 11 mph year round (Can't remember the exact numbers) then it was feasable to erect an absolutley gargantuan number of wind turbines in order to produce something like 1/8th of the total output required by the western US in a day..

Either way it equated basically nothing but wind turbines for as far as the eye could see, which we know isn't politically feasable regardless of whether or not it's technically feasable.

The problem with wind turbines isn't their effeciency, it's that even in West Texas and/or Wyoming, Colorado, etc, as much as the wind does blow, it doesn't ALWAYS blow. If you had a constant supply of wind to keep the turbing operating at optimal RPM all the time things would be different, but unfortunatley mother nature isn't that nice (or not) to us.

[Testm0nkey]

ive heard that basically the blades are moving constantly thus being a constant source of energy though less than if they were moving faster. and covering a lot of empty space in west texas is far from being wind farms as far as the eye can see (certainly not like that where most people actually live)

and like i said americans need to stop wasting so much energy then we could cut our need for so much thus things like wind would be more useful

[Spectatrix]

Which is why we need wind + solar + nuclear + whatever else comes down the pipeline.

[Dogmeat]

Which is why we need wind + solar + nuclear + whatever else comes down the pipeline.

Nuclear +++++++

I want to be the Vault Dweller

[Testm0nkey]

my really only concern about nuclear energy is the water pollution stemming from the manmade or otherwise blocked off lakes/rivers/water sources that are used and flushed due to the coolant systems. my old professor would mention things like you knew where the line of pollution was because there was an invisible barrier fish and other wildlife wouldnt cross

[Dogmeat]

my really only concern about nuclear energy is the water pollution stemming from the manmade or otherwise blocked off lakes/rivers/water sources that are used and flushed due to the coolant systems. my old professor would mention things like you knew where the line of pollution was because there was an invisible barrier fish and other wildlife wouldnt cross

I want to be the Vault Dweller.

[Spectatrix]

I want to be the Vault Dweller.

Go fetch me a crate full of water chips.

F'ing Vault City.

[chook]

Vault 16 got that shipment.

Wind - Cheap for clean but not viable as a constant, still attached to a grid with coal/other power source.

Solar - Energy Levels of photons are different, Either no electricity if to low or heat from extra energy. Expensive Multilayer tech. Still profitable in Tucson after 10 years.

Biomass - Can Create 1MW reactors fairly easily, just that places where they would be common (moo moo farms) would be too expensive to integrate it to the grid.

[Spectatrix]

Vault 16 got that shipment.

Vault 8, actually. AKA Vault City.

This post has been edited by Spectatrix: Feb 5 2008, 11:18 PM

[dauss]

toyota is working on plans to release a fully plug in version of the prius. the later releases of the 09' may already have the lithium ion/plug in capability.

i have no doubt fully electric vehicles will be released to the mainstream public in my lifetime and be popular

besides already having electric cars. and burning coal is not the only way to produce electricity

I like the concept of the Chevy Volt. Plug in, all electric for like 40 miles or something, then after the juice runs out, the gasoline engine kicks in. They say a large majority drive 40 miles or less round trip to work. I don't know how much more the electricty bill be after 20 full recharges to the car.

Obviously impala would be like "OMGXORZ, nickel is poisoning teh erth!"

[Spectatrix]

I've worked out the math before. Electricity ends up being cheaper than gas. It would probably remain so too, so long as people were mainly charging their cars during non-peak hours (i.e. at night).