FBI wants massive biometrics database Options

[The Fanatic]

I'm not going to go as far to say that the government WILL do these things, but I still think that it is definitely a possibility. As a society we must decide where to draw the line. Where must privacy begin and end. Let me clarify, I don't think that the government is out to get us at every step and turn. However, men of power will always search for ways to better maintain and control that scheme of power. It only seems natural given the current technology that eventually governments will want to keep track of all citizens at all times. We already have systems such as On Star in vehicles and our household animals have even been fitted with microchips. Given the level of technology on the surface a microchip would serve as a great tool for law enforcement. Imagine the possibilities.... there is a missing person, all you need to do is type in there name and the officials would know exactly where that person was located. However, every new technology also contains a dark sinister side. There are just some things that I don't want my government to know. End of story.

Impala,
The main difference that I can see between a finger print database and a biometric database for example is that mapping out things like tattoos would be too personal. Many times a tattoo has symbolic meaning which is significant too that particular person and would in my opinion violate their right to privacy.

[FORSAKENR320]

i would agree to have my palm prints taken, but only on the grounds that all our politicians have microchips implanted that monitor when they are lying, and dog collars that would give them a nice jolt everytime they did so. if they would still approve that through congress, sure.

i'd love to see how many politicians would agree to THAT. and think of the possiblilities! if a candidate promised he would lower taxes, and everything else under the sun while getting elected, and then didn't do so... BAM lots and lots of pain.

it's not the people that need to be leashed, it's our "leaders"

[Dogmeat]

people have cell phones.

What do they need microchips for?

[The Fanatic]

I can throw my cell phone away.

[Dogmeat]

as long as it records penis size I'm all for this.

This way, I'll know there is a database somewhere I can hack into to find out how big somone's cock is, so I can go around betting peope that my cock is bigger than theirs and always win.

[impala454]

i didnt say have blind ignorant trust. im not impala.

I don't have blind ignorant trust of the government. I just don't give a shit about things that don't affect me. learn the difference before making stupid ass blanket statements about people.

[impala454]

Impala,
The main difference that I can see between a finger print database and a biometric database for example is that mapping out things like tattoos would be too personal. Many times a tattoo has symbolic meaning which is significant too that particular person and would in my opinion violate their right to privacy.

If the tatt is visible how does writing that down as an identifying mark violate someone's privacy? It'd be like them writing down that your hair is black. I seriously doubt they're going to have the entire population line up, get naked, and have their body's scanned or some shit like the foil hats would have everyone think.

[FORSAKENR320]

If the tatt is visible how does writing that down as an identifying mark violate someone's privacy? It'd be like them writing down that your hair is black. I seriously doubt they're going to have the entire population line up, get naked, and have their body's scanned or some shit like the foil hats would have everyone think.

we already do this. everytime i have a client out of jail, i have to write down all identifying tattoos, birthmarks, etc. we don't do it in huge lines, but police write it down everytime you are arrested, jailers too.
i can't really say how many times i have managed to catch some asshat pretending to be his brother (alot of mexicans look alike to me) simply by looking at tattoos on his arms shoulders, and neck.

you're right, it doesn't violate personal privacy if it's exposed in visible site. (if i remember correctly, alot of guys manage to get off of sexual harrassment cases if it can be proven that the females are overly flaunting themselves to the public)

[The Fanatic]

If the tatt is visible how does writing that down as an identifying mark violate someone's privacy? It'd be like them writing down that your hair is black. I seriously doubt they're going to have the entire population line up, get naked, and have their body's scanned or some shit like the foil hats would have everyone think.

If a tattoo is visible then it is not a privacy issue because the individual has chosen to allow the tattoo to be viewed by anyone.

No, but governments could heavily regulate tattoo parlors and keep records of tattoo placement and design on individuals, hypothetically. For clarification purposes, I don't think all of this "conspiracy" stuff will come to be pass but I am willing to argue that the steps that the FBI is taking could lead to a loss of freedom and privacy if certain men had their way.

This post has been edited by The Fanatic: Feb 5 2008, 04:11 AM

[impala454]

Well yeah that'd be pretty bad if the govt regulated tattoo parlors to keep records and submit them, but I seriously doubt that would ever happen.

[The Fanatic]

Hopefully not, but anything is possible.

[impala454]

Hopefully not, but anything is possible.

Not really.

[The Fanatic]

Wow,


That witty retort blew my argument out of the water

Whatever am I going to do!!!

[Spectatrix]

Hopefully not, but anything is possible.

Pigs flying under their own power isn't possible! So there!

[Mommy]

Pigs flying under their own power isn't possible! So there!

could be possible depending on what your perception of reality is.