FBI wants massive biometrics database Options

[Spectatrix]

Scary stuff.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/02/04/fbi.biometrics/index.html

The FBI already has 55 million sets of fingerprints on file. In coming years, the bureau wants to compare palm prints, scars and tattoos, iris eye patterns, and facial shapes. The idea is to combine various pieces of biometric information to positively identify a potential suspect.

[Testm0nkey]

I'm starting to care less and less about stuff like this. As long as it stops before use of retinal scans in marketplaces, pedestrian walkways, and public buildings and national implanted gps systems like some people say are "just around the corner."

less possibility of innocent people being convicted, your loved ones will have their identifying marks in a national system so better ids can be made if they go missing or are killed. trust me its not pleasant trying to identify a corpse of someone you know. police etc not wasting time running on bad ids or trying to track some down

basically everyones prints are in some system or another already. if thats acceptable and deemed necessary (i think most people think that) i dont see the difference extending it into other areas a little bit

[Seeker]

lolol cathryn will be accepting the new world order/illuminati microchip with open arms, have fun with the government tracking your every move, monitoring your emotional/stress level, etc.

[The Fanatic]

Right to privacy anyone?

[Testm0nkey]

i said i wouldnt accept a microchip. but i think its still a far jump from collecting palm prints to forced implantation of tracking devices

[The Fanatic]

Change is always incremental, especially within the political culture that we inhabit. If you give authorities and inch today they will surely take a mile later on down the road.

The FBI says it hasn't been saving the fingerprints for those checks, but that may change. The FBI plans a so-called "rap-back" service in which an employer could ask the FBI to keep the prints for an employee on file and let the employer know if the person ever has a brush with the law. The FBI says it will first have to clear hurdles with state privacy laws, and people would have to sign waivers allowing their information to be kept.

This is an alarming possibility which undermines the rights that individuals in America hold so dear. I don't want the government to map out every inch of my body in order to protect this nation from "terrorists" and other undesirables that may threaten the so called order. History repeats itself. One eras communist is anothers terrorist, it is all a carefully constructed guise to yank the freedoms that we are entitled. At what cost? I don't claim to be a conspiracy nut but something in the milk is not white. These expressed intentions couple with new developments in the field of technology and a national ID card or REAL ID Act. I do believe that one day Americans will be implanted with a chip that holds all of their identifying information, credit accounts, bank accounts, biographical information etc. synced up with a larger computer database that will track, monitor, and dictate every hour or our life.


P.S. Think of the power that advertisers will hold! They will be able to buy time on personal microchips from the government and will subconsciously imprint products in our dreams!

This post has been edited by The Fanatic: Feb 4 2008, 04:19 PM

[Testm0nkey]

that kind of stuff i disagree with. but i believe the two issues are still pretty separate.
because the process is slow you have time to stop the wheel from rolling further when it really needs to be stopped. its not like if this passes one day, the military will be breaking your door down and shoving a gun down your throat the next

[Seeker]

I don't want my DNA in some government database because the potential for abuse is massive. If some guy who works with the database found out his wife cheated on him with some douche what's to stop the guy from planting the douche's DNA at a murder scene? What's going to stop people in politics from sprinkling their rivals DNA at a crime scene?

Same thing with palm prints etc.

Like Fanatic said, government encroachment upon our rights is incremental. Each time they only ask for an inch and no more, but all those inches add up to a mile.

[Testm0nkey]

you should have trust in the people who represent you and those in politics. if you dont have that, than thats the big issue. and yes its widespread in america and thats really sad

[Seeker]

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[The Fanatic]

Cat, why should Americans have faith in the people that claim to represent their best interest? Especially given all the lies, corruption, mud slinging and outright disregard for the common working class and middle class American. Trust leads to blind obedience and naive notions that governments operate on a rational and just system. Men have power are like all men; they have their own ambitions, needs, desires, and agendas that come before the whims of constituents back home. I actually completly disagree with you. As Americans we should trust that the system in which we elect our officials will give us the ability to oust those men in favor of men more competent to serve our needs, but a belief in the good nature of government and the men within that system is foolish. In fact, it is our obligation to question government and keep them in check so that those men do not abuse the power given to them to circumvent our rights.

Think about it for one second. surveillance and tracking of a state's citizens is every governments wet dream. The goal of government is to maintain order which by extension maintains the ruling classes and those that are ruled. And what better way to achieve that is there? If you can keep track of what people buy, their physical characteristics, sexual preferences, disorders, location, etc then you can also dictate indirectly how that individual behaves and effectively maintain the order and agenda that any government may hold.

This post has been edited by The Fanatic: Feb 4 2008, 05:02 PM

[impala454]

I don't quite see what the difference is between them having my finger prints vs other identifying marks.... /shrug

[Testm0nkey]

does lance not think you should have trust in your government? or are you laughing because you think thats impossible

i didnt say have blind ignorant trust. im not impala. im saying a citizen should be able to trust their officials and if they dont then then new officials are needed. i dont know where in spiveys post he is disagreeing with me then

ex. most people in Singapore say they trust their government. the government also has the lowest amounts of corruption in the entire world. they are some of the most highly educated people in the country and the best paid. people in singapore are also supposedly the happiest in the world. trust in government and happiness supposedly go hand in hand

and i dont think people in powers secret goal is to have a communist utopia circa 1984.

[Mommy]

I am so sick of these boards turning into a THE GOVT IS OUT TO GET YOU protest site.

[Testm0nkey]

there is no real point in having that much data on every citizen. regarding the governments future plans to track everyones movement, stress levels, and predict their activities etc. the logistics of that is impossible, 90% of the data would be insignificant and a waste, and what point does it serve? people in power dont care that much about the average person to do that

people who envision and strive for a world like big brother stories like 1984 dont reach the kind of democratic power that would let them do that. because they are called psychos and nerds and dont have the charisma or social skills to matter