Less than half of all published scientists agree with global warming Options

[Hartmann]

http://www.dailytech.com/Survey+Less+Than+...article8641.htm



This post has been edited by Spectatrix: Aug 30 2007, 09:06 AM

[Testm0nkey]

CFC's affects on our atmosphere have been proven. people went crazy about it demanding governments do something to stop it. they did and its pretty much been stopped. so its been proven that we have a HUGE impact on our environment.
people only care if they can see DIRECT and IMMEDIATE personal affects. like the spike in skin cancers that scientists predicted and got right. thats unfortunate

[Hartmann]

CFC's affects on our atmosphere have been proven. people went crazy about it demanding governments do something to stop it. they did and its pretty much been stopped. so its been proven that we have a HUGE impact on our environment.
people only care if they can see DIRECT and IMMEDIATE personal affects. like the spike in skin cancers that scientists predicted and got right. thats unfortunate

I should have said "impact on global warming"... Yeah, we have impact on the environment, just look at the Mississippi river, we try to control it but we fail.

CFCs cause ozone depletion (we think), yet we've seen spikes in ozone recently because of pollution (maybe it's time for people to start using aerosols again).

Do you have a link to the spike in skin cancers? If I remember correctly, there was a lot going on before the whole CFC scare, namely the fact that more and more women were tanning and wearing bikinis. Hmmm... correlation or causation.

Can you explain why we are seeing "warming" on other planets?

Did you read the link I posted? What were people doing in medieval times that caused that?

I'm all for conservation and understanding that the Earth is a system that we have and we should take care of. But I'm not going to go all out and back legislation to change things. We told everyone there was going to be nuclear holocaust in the 1950s, now we have a bunch of empty bomb shelters in people's backyards.

[Testm0nkey]

I should have said "impact on global warming"... Yeah, we have impact on the environment, just look at the Mississippi river, we try to control it but we fail.

CFCs cause ozone depletion (we think), yet we've seen spikes in ozone recently because of pollution (maybe it's time for people to start using aerosols again).

Do you have a link to the spike in skin cancers? If I remember correctly, there was a lot going on before the whole CFC scare, namely the fact that more and more women were tanning and wearing bikinis. Hmmm... correlation or causation.

Can you explain why we are seeing "warming" on other planets?

Did you read the link I posted? What were people doing in medieval times that caused that?

I'm all for conservation and understanding that the Earth is a system that we have and we should take care of. But I'm not going to go all out and back legislation to change things. We told everyone there was going to be nuclear holocaust in the 1950s, now we have a bunch of empty bomb shelters in people's backyards.

ozone on the surface is bad and is created by things like car emissions
ozone on ground bad = smog
ozone in atmosphere = necessity - CFC's specifically the breakdown to CL destroys it



people just dont know enough!


there was a medieval warm period, there was the little ice age. those were caused by natural occurances (huge volcano eruption for one)
you make a chart... chart the occurances of natural disruptions to weather... over that chart you lay the warming trend... there is a huge discrepancy... create another layer that shows our increase in pollution, burning of fossil fuels = they line up. thus showing the increase is not natural. thats where the "hockey stick" comes from

the BBC has an amazing documentary about it


edit: the documentary is called Meltdown. the host is paul rose and its a global warming for dummies with lots of scientific backup of course but made easy to understand

[Hartmann]

ozone on the surface is bad and is created by things like car emissions
ozone on ground bad = smog
ozone in atmosphere = necessity - CFC's specifically the breakdown to CL destroys it

people just dont know enough!

there was a medieval warm period, there was the little ice age. those were caused by natural occurances (huge volcano eruption for one)
you make a chart... chart the occurances of natural disruptions to weather... over that chart you lay the warming trend... there is a huge discrepancy... create another layer that shows our increase in pollution, burning of fossil fuels = they line up. thus showing the increase is not natural. thats where the "hockey stick" comes from

the BBC has an amazing documentary about it
edit: the documentary is called Meltdown. the host is paul rose and its a global warming for dummies with lots of scientific backup of course but made easy to understand

For one, we don't know why there was a Medieval warm period. Volcanoes do not cause global warming, they contribute to CO2 emissions but overall they cause cooling due to ash reflecting the sun.

I am not sure what you mean "people just don't know enough". Your broad sweeping statement that ozone on the ground is smog is actually false. Smog, for the most part is particulate consisting of NOx and volatile organic compounds. Only sometimes does it actually contain ozone.

Oddly enough, volcanoes release a lot of ozone.

People just don't know enough.

I may not know weather, but I know pollution.

atmospheric science, climate, and meteorology i believe

shes my atmospheric science professor and i know shes done a lot of extensive climate research

Is she the old quack? She was my atmo professor...