Mike Huckabee, Are you KIDDING me?! Options

[blaarg]

This guy is polling in the 20% range in Iowa. Are you FUCKING kidding me!??!

Mike Huckabee:
Doesn't believe in evolution.
Is an ordained minister who thinks that faith "makes us less judgmental, as we see others with the same frailties we have," yet would champion an effort to amend the constitution for a gay marriage ban.
Against stem cell research.
Support the war in Iraq.
"My faith doesn't influence my decisions, it drives them."

Hey but at least he believes in being environmentally responsible!

(all quotes/opinions taken from his website)

This is fucking ridiculous, and I love how he gets all upset when he gets asked the evolution question. "It's interesting that that question would even be asked for somebody running for President. I'm not planning on writing the curriculum in an 8th grade science book, I'm asking to have the opportunity to become the President of the United States." I think it is an extremely VALID question, it shows how he is 1) a religious zealot 2) is crazy thinking that there is a possibility that God created everything in 6 days.

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[theIncredibleEdi...]

OK< this hopefully ties in more with the original thought of this thread, being crazy religious zealots. I work with a woman who claims to be a Christian......yet she seems to exhibit some highly UNChristian values. For one, she is GREEDY. All she ever talks about is getting stuff for free. Example: the other day I was talking to a co-worker about getting gift cards from my Best Buy Reward Zone account, and she butts in saying, "Oh, is that my Christmas present?" This lady does this shit all the time. Just yesterday, in fact, a vendor came and offered to take ONE of us to lunch....Christian lady butted in and invited herself along (knowing the vendor would pay). She bought the highest priced thing on the menu. She talks about having god-parents for her children for the sole purpose of that person providing her children with material possessions. My point is that some of the most hard-core Bible-thumping people can be the most hypocritical. Right-wing Republicans are also a good example.

[jonathan83]

OK< this hopefully ties in more with the original thought of this thread, being crazy religious zealots. I work with a woman who claims to be a Christian......yet she seems to exhibit some highly UNChristian values. For one, she is GREEDY. All she ever talks about is getting stuff for free. Example: the other day I was talking to a co-worker about getting gift cards from my Best Buy Reward Zone account, and she butts in saying, "Oh, is that my Christmas present?" This lady does this shit all the time. Just yesterday, in fact, a vendor came and offered to take ONE of us to lunch....Christian lady butted in and invited herself along (knowing the vendor would pay). She bought the highest priced thing on the menu. She talks about having god-parents for her children for the sole purpose of that person providing her children with material possessions. My point is that some of the most hard-core Bible-thumping people can be the most hypocritical. Right-wing Republicans are also a good example.

yeah that's a shame, but christians believe that you can still be a bad person (since all humans are "bad") and still go to heaven. just as long as you believe jesus was the son of god and died for your sins. of course people take advantage of this and just sin and repent later that day..but then one has to wonder if that person is truly a christian. christians are bad at being hypocritical, but i think every religion has this problem.

[Psykopath]

yeah that's a shame, but christians believe that you can still be a bad person (since all humans are "bad") and still go to heaven. just as long as you believe jesus was the son of god and died for your sins. of course people take advantage of this and just sin and repent later that day..but then one has to wonder if that person is truly a christian. christians are bad at being hypocritical, but i think every religion has this problem.

One of the most hypocritical aspects of any religion...period.

I'm sure Jesus Christ himself would disagree with such BS.
Living a "good" life (varying shades of good, depending on so many variables...but that discussion shall be saved for another thread) requires more than just accepting one statement as personal fact.

[jonathan83]

One of the most hypocritical aspects of any religion...period.

I'm sure Jesus Christ himself would disagree with such BS.

not really. of course he would WANT people to live better..because he said so. but he also told a murderer (on the cross next to him) that he would go to heaven, because he asked jesus to save him and bc he believed.
we are supposed to "be more like jesus" etc, but "good works" does NOT get you to heaven, according to christianity. other religions require good works, but christianity doesn't.

Living a "good" life (varying shades of good, depending on so many variables...but that discussion shall be saved for another thread) requires more than just accepting one statement as personal fact.

yes, you're right. but, even if a person is the kindest person in the world, but doesn't accept jesus, that still won't get them to heaven.

This post has been edited by jonathan83: Nov 16 2007, 11:34 PM

[FORSAKENR320]

not really. of course he would WANT people to live better..because he said so. but he also told a murderer (on the cross next to him) that he would go to heaven, because he asked jesus to save him and bc he believed.
we are supposed to "be more like jesus" etc, but "good works" does NOT get you to heaven, according to christianity. other religions require good works, but christianity doesn't.
yes, you're right. but, even if a person is the kindest person in the world, but doesn't accept jesus, that still won't get them to heaven.

i understand what you are saying, and to me it makes sense. i've mentioned on here that i once had a pair of mormons admit that jesus was counter productive to christianity based on the fact that god has heaven as a reward system. "be good, you go to heaven" with jesus "forgiving" everyones sins no matter what they are, as long as you truly repent, what motivation do you have? sure when that criminal was on that cross about to die and jesus forgave him, is that all it should take? 5 seconds of being scared out of your mind, during a time period where you are about to die and OBVIOUSLY can't HELP but regret the choices that put you there.... should that be enough to deem you a good person? aqccording to jesus, yes. according to the rest of the bible, no.