Mike Huckabee, Are you KIDDING me?! Options

[blaarg]

This guy is polling in the 20% range in Iowa. Are you FUCKING kidding me!??!

Mike Huckabee:
Doesn't believe in evolution.
Is an ordained minister who thinks that faith "makes us less judgmental, as we see others with the same frailties we have," yet would champion an effort to amend the constitution for a gay marriage ban.
Against stem cell research.
Support the war in Iraq.
"My faith doesn't influence my decisions, it drives them."

Hey but at least he believes in being environmentally responsible!

(all quotes/opinions taken from his website)

This is fucking ridiculous, and I love how he gets all upset when he gets asked the evolution question. "It's interesting that that question would even be asked for somebody running for President. I'm not planning on writing the curriculum in an 8th grade science book, I'm asking to have the opportunity to become the President of the United States." I think it is an extremely VALID question, it shows how he is 1) a religious zealot 2) is crazy thinking that there is a possibility that God created everything in 6 days.

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[THECHICKEN]

Through time things have gotten progressively more and more complex (fossil-wise). Just by observation things have "evolved" into more complex things.

Im not sure why science can't co-exist with faith. To me, if god made a world of free will, he wouldn't be able to show him self (or else do you really have a choice if you know the right and wrong?) and thus there would have to be a world based on rules to run without his intervention. Science explores the constants of our world. Just because science shows these rules and constants does not mean they disprove god, it just means they exist.

thats why its faith... you think it was random and happened on own, or was started by ...something. Either way, the rules and constants of the world we live in remain.

[Billy]

Through time things have gotten progressively more and more complex (fossil-wise). Just by observation things have "evolved" into more complex things.

Im not sure why science can't co-exist with faith. To me, if god made a world of free will, he wouldn't be able to show him self (or else do you really have a choice if you know the right and wrong?) and thus there would have to be a world based on rules to run without his intervention. Science explores the constants of our world. Just because science shows these rules and constants does not mean they disprove god, it just means they exist.

thats why its faith... you think it was random and happened on own, or was started by ...something. Either way, the rules and constants of the world we live in remain.

You're making the very big assumption that we have free will and that our actions are driven by a conscious "choice" other than a natural reaction driven by past and present environmental conditions.

"That's why it's faith"... That's right. Believing in a far fetched possibility simply because the belief is impossible to disprove (like aliens, or scientology). That's faith. Just like it's faith that drives suicide bombers because they foolishly believe there is some amazing place waiting for them after they have taken their own and many other people's lives. However, do not be surprised the rest of the world is not as gullible as you and will not accept the belief just because it sounds good. And do not be surprised when people get up in arms when potential policy is made because of that unfounded belief.

I wouldn't care if religious people went around saying that they think there is a god, they think their religious book is factual, they think that by following their religion they will be given X [replace X with whatever you can think of that makes you feel good] after death because they followed that religion. That's not what they say. They say they know. But you don't know. So stop pretending you do. And especially do not make social policy based on this false knowing (like banning gay marriage, stem cell research, dancing [visit Anson, Tx if you don't believe me]). And do not, I repeat, do not, elect leaders who think they know. Because if you are not wise enough to see you do not know, you are not wise enough to lead one of the world's most powerful and advanced nations.

[jonathan83]

I wouldn't care if religious people went around saying that they think there is a god, they think their religious book is factual, they think that by following their religion they will be given X [replace X with whatever you can think of that makes you feel good] after death because they followed that religion. That's not what they say. They say they know. But you don't know. So stop pretending you do. And especially do not make social policy based on this false knowing (like banning gay marriage, stem cell research, dancing [visit Anson, Tx if you don't believe me]).

that's what faith is, knowing and believing, not thinking. now you know. it sounds like either 1. you had a bad experience with christians as a little boy and got all butt hurt or 2. you're jealous of people who actually have a purpose to live. normal atheists aren't as dickish as you.

and actually, i have been to anson...many times. i grew up 20 miles away. i've seen dancing, so you're wrong.

This post has been edited by jonathan83: Nov 16 2007, 09:22 PM