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blaarg
post Nov 13 2007, 06:37 PM
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This guy is polling in the 20% range in Iowa. Are you FUCKING kidding me!??!

Mike Huckabee:
Doesn't believe in evolution.
Is an ordained minister who thinks that faith "makes us less judgmental, as we see others with the same frailties we have," yet would champion an effort to amend the constitution for a gay marriage ban.
Against stem cell research.
Support the war in Iraq.
"My faith doesn't influence my decisions, it drives them."

Hey but at least he believes in being environmentally responsible!

(all quotes/opinions taken from his website)

This is fucking ridiculous, and I love how he gets all upset when he gets asked the evolution question. "It's interesting that that question would even be asked for somebody running for President. I'm not planning on writing the curriculum in an 8th grade science book, I'm asking to have the opportunity to become the President of the United States." I think it is an extremely VALID question, it shows how he is 1) a religious zealot 2) is crazy thinking that there is a possibility that God created everything in 6 days.

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post Nov 13 2007, 10:18 PM
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QUOTE (blaarg @ Nov 13 2007, 06:37 PM) *
Mike Huckabee:
Doesn't believe in evolution.

This is fucking ridiculous, and I love how he gets all upset when he gets asked the evolution question. "It's interesting that that question would even be asked for somebody running for President. I'm not planning on writing the curriculum in an 8th grade science book, I'm asking to have the opportunity to become the President of the United States.".

who the fuck cares if he believes or doesnt believe in evolution? are you kidding me?
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I think it is an extremely VALID question, it shows how he is 1) a religious zealot 2) is crazy thinking that there is a possibility that God created everything in 6 days

um, you're crazy because 1) that doesnt make him a religious zealot and 2) most Americans believe in God.
not everyone is an atheist like you. maybe you'd like China better.


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post Nov 13 2007, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Nov 13 2007, 10:18 PM) *
who the fuck cares if he believes or doesnt believe in evolution? are you kidding me?

um, you're crazy because 1) that doesnt make him a religious zealot and 2) most Americans believe in God.
not everyone is an atheist like you. maybe you'd like China better.


Well, yeah it kinda does. Unless he believes some other scientific theory (which I doubt), disbelieving in evolution just because the bible told you different is just sticking your head in the sand. There's just too much scientific evidence supporting evolution.

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QUOTE (pebkac @ Nov 13 2007, 10:30 PM) *
disbelieving in evolution just because the bible told you different is just sticking your head in the sand. There's just too much scientific evidence supporting evolution.

since you aren't Christian, this is probably something you don't understand, but Christianity is based on faith.

i still don't see why it's important for the president to believe or not believe in evolution. for me, it doesnt make a difference on whether he can do a good job or not.


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post Nov 14 2007, 12:31 AM
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QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Nov 13 2007, 10:54 PM) *
since you aren't Christian, this is probably something you don't understand, but Christianity is based on faith.

i still don't see why it's important for the president to believe or not believe in evolution. for me, it doesnt make a difference on whether he can do a good job or not.

I find that hard to believe...

So are you saying that if someone was a hardcore pastafarian (flying spaghetti monster) and truly believed that an invisible flying spaghetti monster created the universe and is aiding us in our daily lives and that same person says "my faith in [the flying spaghetti monster] not only influence my decisions, it drives them," isn't valid for the general population to know? You would probably find it EXTREMELY RELEVANT what his personal beliefs on the issue and would probably disregard him as a viable candidate.

[word replace fsm ==> God]

And I'm sorry, if you believe that God created the Earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th you are a religious zealot. The same goes if you believe that humans and dinosaurs coexisted 2500 years ago. Do you KNOW how crazy that sounds...and I would DEFINITELY not want someone who believes that to be running the country, is that so wrong?


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post Nov 14 2007, 12:47 AM
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QUOTE (blaarg @ Nov 14 2007, 12:31 AM) *
And I'm sorry, if you believe that God created the Earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th you are a religious zealot. The same goes if you believe that humans and dinosaurs coexisted 2500 years ago. Do you KNOW how crazy that sounds...and I would DEFINITELY not want someone who believes that to be running the country, is that so wrong?

so you do realize that you're calling 80% of this country religious zealots, right? because this is a core belief of the christian belief...and also for jews and muslims afaik.

and it isn't so hard to believe if you also believe that a man was crucified and came back to life. christianity has a lot of miracles associated with it.


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post Nov 14 2007, 01:00 AM
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QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Nov 14 2007, 12:47 AM) *
so you do realize that you're calling 80% of this country religious zealots, right? because this is a core belief of the christian belief...and also for jews and muslims afaik.


are you kidding me?!?! you really think that all Christians believe in the literal interpretation of the bible regarding creation? I think it would be safe to say that the whole creation Story is regarded as being untrue in at least some religious circles (if not a majority)....the same reason why only three republican candidates raised there hand to say they didn't believe in evolution and a literal interpretation of the bible.

I just figured most Christians viewed it as something mentioned in the bible but they don't necessarily have to believe (you know, kind of like MOST of Leviticus, Numbers, among other things)...

I think a minority of the 80% believe in the creation story, and those are the religious zealots...


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