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schwab
post Mar 21 2006, 09:46 PM
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um...where the hell did this come from

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PM Rain / Snow Showers
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James
post Mar 23 2006, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Mar 23 2006, 08:20 AM)
Thank you james =)

And can you do one more just so I can fully understand what you're saying:



(Just replace the dashes with a power. I'm sure you remember diffeq)

Alright. This one will be a bit longer since it involves a lot more work than factoring by grouping.

Consider the polynomial function: f(x)=x^3 - 7y^2 + 7y + 15

First, apply Descartes' Rule of Signs to determine the number of possible positive and negative zeros. Descartes' Rule of Signs states that the number of sign changes in f(x) indicates the maximum number of positive sign changes, including decrements of 2n (i.e. if there are 5 sign changes, then there are 5, 3, or 1 positive roots. if there there are 4 sign changes, then there are 4, 2, or 0 positive roots. Furthermore, it states that the number of sign changes in f(-x) indicates the maximum number of negative sign changes, including decrements of 2n.

The number of sign changes in f(x) is 2 (there's one from x^3 to -7y^2 and then one more from -7y^2 to 7y), so there are 2 or 0 positive roots.

f(-x)=-x^3 - 7y^2 - 7y + 15

The number of sign changes in f(-x) is 1 (there's one from -7y to 15), so there is exactly 1 negative root (This is NICE!)

Now apply the Rational Zero Theorem. It states that every polynomial, written generally as f(x)=a_n x^n + a_n-1 x^n-1 + ... + a_1 x^1 + a_0 has potential rational zeros at the ratio of the factors of a_0 over a_n. For instance, if a_0 had factors of 1, 2, -1, and -2 and a_n had factors of 1, 3, -1, and -3, then all possible rational zeros would be: 1/1, 1/3, 1/-1, 1/-3, 2/1, 2/3, 2/-1, 2/-3.

In our problem, a_0 is 15, so its factors are 1, 3, 5, 15, -1, -3, -5, and -15. Additionally, a_n is 1, so its factors are 1 and -1

Thus, all possible rational zeros are the following: 1, 3, 5, 15, -1, -3, -5, -15

Now, recall from earlier that we know we have exactly one negative root. If we're lucky enough for this to be a doctored problem, then that root will be rational, so let's try the negative numbers first. You should be able to tell by just looking at it that -15 and -5 will cause it to blow up too much, so don't bother trying those first. Let's try f(-1). If you get f(-1)=0, then you found a root. f(-1)=-1 - 7 - 7 + 15 = 0. Therefore, -1 is a root. That means x+1 is a factor of our polynomial.

Now, you can do one of two things. You can do polynomial division, which always works in reducing your polynomial by one degree, or you can try your other possible rational zeros. I prefer polynomial division as it's not that difficult.

Evaluate (x^3 - 7x^2 + 7x + 15) / (x+1) and you'll get (x^2 - 8x + 15) which you know factors to (x-5)(x-3).

Therefore, the factors of this polynomial are (x+1)(x-5)(x-3).


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- - Renegadepeon   Wow James. Thanks a bunch.   Mar 23 2006, 11:23 AM
- - James   No problem.   Mar 23 2006, 02:50 PM


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