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Hartmann
post Oct 15 2007, 09:07 AM
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I read this message board and a few others and there are outright attacks on Christians (not so much here) with things like "crazy faith" and rude remarks being made towards the faith and the people who believe.

On these same message boards, neither the Muslim faith nor the jihadi movement are attacked or even mentioned.

My question is, why the disconnect? If Christians are so crazy in thinking there will be an "end times" why aren't the Muslims in thinking that all who do not believe should die (oddly enough, Christians don't believe this).

I'd like to keep this as clean and friendly as possible. Please no "Christians are dumb", etc.


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post Oct 16 2007, 05:04 PM
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regarding christianity and their differences in the true spirit of Jesus

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I believe in whatever Book Allah has sent down (this includes bible); and I am commanded to judge justly between you (though they feel the bible is perverted by people rewriting it so its no longer original). Allah is our Lord and your Lord! For us is the responsibility for our deeds, and for you for your deeds. there is no contention between us and you. Allah will bring us together, and to Him is our final goal.


islam as the religion itself doesnt include separatists or fanatics. to be muslim is to be joined with all the muslims in the world. it makes references to ALL humans being of 1 (since created by allah) so there is no "chosen" people.

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say ye: we believe
In God, and the revelations
Given to us, and to Abraham,
Isma'il, Issac, Jacob,
And the tribes, and that given
To Moses and Jesus, and that given
To (all) Prophets from their Lord:
We make no difference
Between one and another of them:
And we bow to God in surrender.


women have had the right to own property, divorce in many circumstances, write wills, to inherit since decreed by the prophet, 1,400 years ago. women in the west didnt get these rights until the 19th century.

jihad is mistranslated as "holy war" its true meaning is "striving." the greatest jihad according to muhammad is the "struggle against the lower self" - internal fight between right and wrong, selfishness/selfishlessness, hardness of heart and all embracing love (which is to be strived for).
according to muhammad "the preferred jihad is a truth spoken in the presence of a tyrant" - nonviolence.

in the qur'anic revelations about jihad:
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To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged - and verily god is the most powerful for their aid: (they are) those who have been expelled from their homes, in defiance of right (for no cause) except that they say "our lord is god"

this is perverted to EXTREME by extremists

toward the greater jihad is though fasting and prayer to kill one's own ego

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fight for the sake of allah those that fight against you, but do not be aggressive. allah does not love the aggressors.


BUT like in the bible there are some contradictions but i think the overall peaceful meaning is clear

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Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter, nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can... fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in god


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a peaceful society is like paradise.


i seriously question where people come up with the belief that killing people is encouraged in the quran. if you believe that you should investigate where you heard that from because thats a pretty dangerous assertion and hypocritical


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post Oct 16 2007, 07:21 PM
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QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Oct 16 2007, 06:04 PM) *
i seriously question where people come up with the belief that killing people is encouraged in the quran. if you believe that you should investigate where you heard that from because thats a pretty dangerous assertion and hypocritical

http://www.multiline.com.au/~johnm/submit/koran.htm

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2:193 (or 2:189):- ... Fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left.
3:73 (or 3:66):- And believe no one unless he follows your Religion

there is a whole page of this stuff.


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- Hartmann   What makes Christians more susceptible to attack?   Oct 15 2007, 09:07 AM
- - jonathan83   i think it's because most people here have mor...   Oct 15 2007, 09:16 AM
- - kcroxyoursox   I'm not sure what boards you're reading, b...   Oct 15 2007, 09:29 AM
- - Oasis   Because you can attack Christians and not be bruta...   Oct 15 2007, 09:39 AM
- - blaarg   It's because we live in America. According to ...   Oct 15 2007, 10:25 AM
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|- - Oasis   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Oct 15 2007, 01:49 PM) ...   Oct 15 2007, 02:59 PM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Oct 15 2007, 01:49 PM) ...   Oct 15 2007, 04:25 PM
|- - blaarg   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Oct 15 2007, 01:49 PM) ...   Oct 15 2007, 05:43 PM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (blaarg @ Oct 15 2007, 06:43 PM) I ...   Oct 15 2007, 08:08 PM
|- - Jim   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Oct 15 2007, 08:08 PM) ...   Oct 15 2007, 08:18 PM
|- - blaarg   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Oct 15 2007, 09:08 PM) ...   Oct 15 2007, 11:23 PM
- - 1up   christians are easy targets because they continue ...   Oct 15 2007, 10:35 AM
- - Jessica   I hate blatant attacks against Christianity. Perso...   Oct 15 2007, 11:04 AM
- - chook   Its becasuse people want to blame something for th...   Oct 15 2007, 11:10 AM
- - pebkac   People have tendency to be egocentric and think th...   Oct 15 2007, 11:27 AM
- - TetraGrammaton Cleric   i would say it is a simple appeal to audience. the...   Oct 15 2007, 01:14 PM
|- - blaarg   QUOTE (TetraGrammaton Cleric @ Oct 15 2007, 0...   Oct 15 2007, 05:35 PM
- - Melanie   Two words (or a name... whatev)... mAnne Coulter   Oct 15 2007, 04:28 PM
- - Forum Warrior   Generally, if you lived in America, and had a bad ...   Oct 15 2007, 05:04 PM
- - Jim   Most of the reason I'm against Christians is 8...   Oct 15 2007, 06:28 PM
- - dauss   For me, all the news and some events that have aff...   Oct 15 2007, 10:29 PM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (dauss @ Oct 15 2007, 11:29 PM) For...   Oct 15 2007, 10:56 PM
|- - pebkac   QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Oct 15 2007, 11:56 PM...   Oct 16 2007, 11:05 AM
|- - dauss   QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Oct 15 2007, 10:56 PM...   Oct 16 2007, 06:42 PM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (dauss @ Oct 16 2007, 07:42 PM) Goo...   Oct 16 2007, 06:52 PM
- - Spectatrix   I was born and raised Catholic (and was pretty dev...   Oct 16 2007, 07:14 AM
- - Jim   When did this turn into muslim country versus ...   Oct 16 2007, 07:15 AM
|- - Spectatrix   QUOTE (Jim @ Oct 16 2007, 08:15 AM) When ...   Oct 16 2007, 07:16 AM
- - Jim   This thread, from the topic description and what p...   Oct 16 2007, 09:28 AM
- - Hartmann   As an example let's look at Ann Coulter's ...   Oct 16 2007, 10:50 AM
- - jonathan83   how's this for you guys: http://www.cnn.com/20...   Oct 16 2007, 10:55 AM
- - blaarg   I have a problem with the "openly teach for t...   Oct 16 2007, 11:54 AM
- - Testm0nkey   as far as i remember in the quran deadly force is ...   Oct 16 2007, 04:36 PM
- - Testm0nkey   regarding christianity and their differences in th...   Oct 16 2007, 05:04 PM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Oct 16 2007, 06:04 PM...   Oct 16 2007, 07:21 PM
- - jonathan83   well muslims themselves say it....   Oct 16 2007, 05:22 PM
|- - Jim   QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Oct 16 2007, 05:22 PM...   Oct 16 2007, 06:32 PM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (Jim @ Oct 16 2007, 07:32 PM) Just ...   Oct 16 2007, 06:56 PM
- - Testm0nkey   no a certain sect of radicals say it that are a ve...   Oct 16 2007, 05:24 PM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Oct 16 2007, 06:24 PM...   Oct 16 2007, 06:54 PM
- - jonathan83   just thought i'd include this for testmonkey, ...   Oct 16 2007, 06:58 PM
- - Jim   Let's look at Nazi's and Aryan Brotherhood...   Oct 16 2007, 07:01 PM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (Jim @ Oct 16 2007, 08:01 PM) Let...   Oct 16 2007, 07:12 PM
|- - Jim   QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Oct 16 2007, 07:12 PM...   Oct 16 2007, 07:18 PM
||- - jonathan83   QUOTE (Jim @ Oct 16 2007, 08:18 PM) Are y...   Oct 16 2007, 07:23 PM
|- - Forum Warrior   QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Oct 16 2007, 08:12 PM...   Oct 16 2007, 07:22 PM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (Forum Warrior @ Oct 16 2007, 08:22...   Oct 16 2007, 07:25 PM
|- - Forum Warrior   QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Oct 16 2007, 08:25 PM...   Oct 16 2007, 08:00 PM
|- - blaarg   QUOTE (Forum Warrior @ Oct 16 2007, 09:00...   Oct 16 2007, 08:01 PM
- - Testm0nkey   when did i say Christians kill more than any other...   Oct 16 2007, 07:06 PM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Oct 16 2007, 08:06 PM...   Oct 16 2007, 07:15 PM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Oct 16 2007, 08:06 PM...   Oct 16 2007, 07:17 PM
|- - Testm0nkey   QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Oct 16 2007, 08:17 PM...   Oct 16 2007, 07:44 PM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Oct 16 2007, 08:44 PM...   Oct 16 2007, 08:10 PM
- - Testm0nkey   i was judging from the look of the page and the hi...   Oct 16 2007, 08:20 PM
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|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (cmac @ Oct 17 2007, 01:15 PM) from...   Oct 17 2007, 04:09 PM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (cmac @ Oct 17 2007, 01:15 PM) i me...   Oct 17 2007, 04:11 PM
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