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impala454
post Oct 3 2007, 08:10 AM
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I don't have a link but it shouldn't be difficult to find. Apparently here in Texas we're halting executions because some dipshit judge decided to rule lethal injection as "cruel & unusual punishment". WTF is cruel & unusual about it!!??
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blaarg
post Oct 4 2007, 12:32 AM
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and yes, 2 or 3 murders per 100,000 is substantial.
for instance in Canada that means 1000 less murders a year...


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post Oct 4 2007, 12:41 AM
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QUOTE (blaarg @ Oct 4 2007, 01:32 AM) *
and yes, 2 or 3 murders per 100,000 is substantial.
for instance in Canada that means 1000 less murders a year...

I understand where you're coming from, I just don't think you're looking at the end result of the data and what it really means.

with 4.55 murders per 100,000 means that you have a 0.0046% chance of being murdered
lets say we dropped it to 2.55, that means you now have a 0.0026% chance of being murdered.

yeah, with the first value it's nearly twice the chances !! but it's akin to saying you have twice the chances of winning the lottery by buying two tickets.
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post Oct 4 2007, 12:45 AM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ Oct 4 2007, 01:41 AM) *
I understand where you're coming from, I just don't think you're looking at the end result of the data and what it really means.

with 4.55 murders per 100,000 means that you have a 0.0046% chance of being murdered
lets say we dropped it to 2.55, that means you now have a 0.0026% chance of being murdered.

yeah, with the first value it's nearly twice the chances !! but it's akin to saying you have twice the chances of winning the lottery by buying two tickets.


This isn't about me being personally murdered, its about the number of people murdered in a country. I agree, I feel just as safe in both Canada and the USA.

All I am saying is that if Canada had the same homicide rate as USA, a 1000 more people would be murdered a year. Or think of it in reverse, if the US had homicide rates of Canada, that is 9000 people that aren't murdered each year. This I find substantial.

This is an observation not a biased opinion.


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- impala454   Lethal Injection Cruel & Unusual?   Oct 3 2007, 08:10 AM
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- - impala454   yeah the radio is talking about it and the host go...   Oct 3 2007, 08:21 AM
- - Oasis   Who gives a fuck? We're killing losers   Oct 3 2007, 08:22 AM
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- - cmac   death penalty is cruel and unusual   Oct 3 2007, 08:24 AM
|- - cupcake   QUOTE (cmac @ Oct 3 2007, 09:24 AM) death...   Oct 3 2007, 09:13 AM
|- - Testm0nkey   QUOTE (cmac @ Oct 3 2007, 09:24 AM) death...   Oct 3 2007, 01:06 PM
- - impala454   it was even more cruel & unusual for these peo...   Oct 3 2007, 08:25 AM
- - Dr. Gonzo   Cmac got it. The argument is not whether the metho...   Oct 3 2007, 08:28 AM
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- - Dr. Gonzo   Hmm, interesting. My point still stands, I can...   Oct 3 2007, 08:35 AM
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