Southlake = Pleasantville Options

[kcroxyoursox]

I know a lot of you are from the DFW area, so I figured this might generate some interest. Basically, Southlake is the modern-day Pleasantville, where our kids are smarter AND better looking. Read on.

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[Inferia]

No, society doesn't force people to do anything, but it does restricts people from doing certain things. Lots of communities are segregated based on income level, and many minorities are poor so they live in the poorer regions of the communities. It's not exactly so called forced, but it's not like the poor people can just say, I want to live with the rich people because I like it there better. I'm not saying that we should make people live somewhere, but a lot of these things can be avoided with better city planning. If you build all the big houses in one region, then chances are, you're gonna get a bunch of rich people cuz chances are poor people can't afford it. If you intersperse more affordable housing within the large houses, then poor people (and I'm not talking about minorities here, but poor people) can move into those neighborhoods. Capitalism doesn't mean you have the same opportunity of being rich or poor. It means anyone can be poor or rich, but a rich kid has much, much more opportunity of staying rich than a poor kid becoming rich. I don't know. I don't feel like arguing this, I just feel like we live in a society, not exactly as individuals. Our friends and environment has a strong effect on the type of person we turn out to be.

And I never called you a racist. Narrow minded maybe. =P

[impala454]

No, society doesn't force people to do anything, but it does restricts people from doing certain things.

like what though?

Lots of communities are segregated based on income level,

absolutely false. there are zero regulations regarding income level and where a person lives. if you want to perceive one, that's fine.

and many minorities are poor

now who's stereotyping?

so they live in the poorer regions of the communities.

does this not make sense? that poor people live in poor regions?

It's not exactly so called forced, but it's not like the poor people can just say, I want to live with the rich people because I like it there better.

and should a poor person be able to say that? or should they have to work hard and earn their way to it?

I'm not saying that we should make people live somewhere, but a lot of these things can be avoided with better city planning. If you build all the big houses in one region, then chances are, you're gonna get a bunch of rich people cuz chances are poor people can't afford it. If you intersperse more affordable housing within the large houses, then poor people (and I'm not talking about minorities here, but poor people) can move into those neighborhoods.

absolutely preposterous. like i said before, this is communism. you can't build communities this way. it wouldn't benefit any poor people, and it would penalize the people who live in nicer communities. property values would plummet for those with nice houses, and property values (ie property taxes) for the poor would skyrocket.

Capitalism doesn't mean you have the same opportunity of being rich or poor. It means anyone can be poor or rich, but a rich kid has much, much more opportunity of staying rich than a poor kid becoming rich.

I explained this already.. the opportunity is exactly the same. There's not a damn thing on this earth that prevents a poor person from becoming rich. We don't have laws that say it's illegal for a person to become successful. Hell, if anything, the opportunity for a % change in living standards is higher the poorer you are. Our country gives handouts to poor people like crazy and will even pay for the majority of their school! The only thing we can't do more is force the people to go.

I don't know. I don't feel like arguing this,

heh... sure ya do dont take my nazi quote stringing the wrong way... it's just easier to respond that way

I just feel like we live in a society, not exactly as individuals. Our friends and environment has a strong effect on the type of person we turn out to be.

well of course, but you're not bound to those effects by anyone but yourself.

And I never called you a racist.

i know... i didn't mean to implicate you if i did.

Narrow minded maybe. =P

bah! i'm perfectly open minded, to ideas that make sense. i still stand by the idea that the single best group of people that can help poor people is themselves. i have known people who came from extremely ghetto areas of houston that did well in their public school, did their homework in learning about and getting financial aid, and went to texas tech via a grayhound bus. i've also known people who have had everything handed to them on a silver platter, went to college and failed out, and are closing in on 30 with a crap job and will probably end up as a net decrease from their original standard of living.

all it takes is will (or lack therof), there's nothing our government or society does to hold them back.