Less than half of all published scientists agree with global warming Options

[Hartmann]

http://www.dailytech.com/Survey+Less+Than+...article8641.htm



This post has been edited by Spectatrix: Aug 30 2007, 09:06 AM

[cmac]

you're right. i don't. but chasing tornados doesn't make you an expert either.

ski season is starting later and ending earlier. that ones very obvious to me. snow is harder and different texture than it was 10 years ago. it's getting icy in the afternoon sooner. glaciers are melting. oceans are rising. are you saying you actually don't believe in global warming? people that don't boggle my mind.

tropical activity? the number of category 4 and 5 hurricanes has doubled in the last 30 years or so. i'll find a link later.

[impala454]

are you saying you actually don't believe in global warming?

i don't think anyone is saying that. what people (including the vast majority of scientists apparently) don't believe is that we're the cause of it. the earth has been around for what, like 4-6 billion years? there has been temperature cycles recorded of warming and cooling that go back thousands of years. of all the reading I've done and data I've seen says there's cycles that go say, about every 40 years, which then exist inside larger cycles of ~500 years, which then exist inside even larger cycles of 25,000 years, etc etc. If you look at data from the past 1000 years, it shows we're coming off of a cooling cycle into a warming cycle:

so the global warming could be due to one of two things:
1. human industry, which has existed for barely 150 years, is the cause
or
2. the natural cycle of cooling and warming is continuing on this planet as is has for however many million years

we definitely need better forms of energy, and i have the upmost confidence that sometime in my lifetime we'll see stuff we can only dream about now. (MR FUSION! )

[pebkac]

i don't think anyone is saying that. what people (including the vast majority of scientists apparently) don't believe is that we're the cause of it. the earth has been around for what, like 4-6 billion years? there has been temperature cycles recorded of warming and cooling that go back thousands of years. of all the reading I've done and data I've seen says there's cycles that go say, about every 40 years, which then exist inside larger cycles of ~500 years, which then exist inside even larger cycles of 25,000 years, etc etc. If you look at data from the past 1000 years, it shows we're coming off of a cooling cycle into a warming cycle:

so the global warming could be due to one of two things:
1. human industry, which has existed for barely 150 years, is the cause
or
2. the natural cycle of cooling and warming is continuing on this planet as is has for however many million years

we definitely need better forms of energy, and i have the upmost confidence that sometime in my lifetime we'll see stuff we can only dream about now. (MR FUSION! )

The fluctuations of the little ice age were small compared to the increases we're seeing now. Not to mention that indications point that it was more of a regional effect moreso than a global one.

As for the research in the first post, I'm betting it's some conservative hack considering it's getting little mainstream attention from scientists (a google search only reveals conservative sites reporting this). However, there's no way to tell considering that the report hasn't even been released yet.

[impala454]

The fluctuations of the little ice age were small compared to the increases we're seeing now. Not to mention that indications point that it was more of a regional effect moreso than a global one.

awesome graph, so if our industrial age was the culprit, how the hell did the temperatures go up from ~1900-1940 or so, then go down from 1940-1960 or so, then back up?

a google search only reveals conservative sites reporting this

uh... DUH... you think the treehuggers want to release info like this?