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impala454
post Aug 7 2007, 10:24 PM
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1. Barry Bonds*
2. Hank Aaron
3. Babe Ruth
4. Willie Mays
5. Sammy Sosa*
6. Ken Griffey
7. Frank Robinson
8. Mark McGwire*
9. Harmon Killebrew
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James
post Aug 9 2007, 01:53 PM
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Except fighting is against the rules. Your lack of logic everyday is fucking annoying.


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post Aug 9 2007, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE (James @ Aug 9 2007, 02:53 PM) *
Except fighting is against the rules. Your lack of logic everyday is fucking annoying.

where does it say that fighting is against the rules? funny, i see bench clearing brawls where the game continues. you're a lousy devil's advocate.

steroids have been illegal since 1990. they're illegal whether you take them inside or outside the ballpark. no, it was not in the baseball rulebook at the time. the writers of the rulebook probably didn't think they'd have to put in a copy of state & federal law as 'baseball rules'.

and to you losers who think this was ok: if it was so ok and within the rules and honorable practice, how come these assholes won't come clean about it?
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post Aug 9 2007, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ Aug 9 2007, 03:15 PM) *
and to you losers who think this was ok: if it was so ok and within the rules and honorable practice, how come these assholes won't come clean about it?


They won't come clean about it because if they did, the HOF voters aren't voting them in. I don't blame them.

I see very little problem with ballplayers taking steroids. I believe in a level playing field, but the playing field is so skewed that ballplayers taking steroids to gain a competitive advantage is way blown out of proportion. Steroids is merely one way to gain an advantage over the competition. It is not the end-all advantage that people make it out to be. Every player has a different weight training program. I assure you the stars have much better trainers that they can afford to pay $100k a year for compared to the journeymen making $400k a year. That's a huge competitive advantage. West coast teams always have a competitive advantage over East coast teams because of the 3 hour time difference. Most West coast games start at 10:15 EST, meaning players aren't usually getting back to their hotels until 2 or 3 in the morning. If they have a day game at 1:05 the next day, they're at a huge disadvantage because they aren't used to the time change. There's another example. Unlike other sports, every baseball stadium is built differently. Should we discount David Ortiz's 52 homers because he plays in the left-handed-hitter-friendly Fenway? That's a huge advantage over someone like Hunter Pence who plays in a pitcher's park. I could go on for hours but you get the point. Steroids are only ONE form of a competitive advantage. Baseball is interesting because unlike other sports, there are so many variables to take in to account. Steroids is merely one variable. And coming from someone who took steroids while playing baseball in high school, I can assure you the advantage you gain is a lot lower than the ignorant public makes it out to be. Remember....steroids were invented to help people. So yeah, if the playing field were truly level - salary cap, every player having the same training regimen and taking the same supplements, all parks the same dimensions, etc - I'd be against steroids. At this point I don't give a shit because their effect on the game is entirely overblown.

However, people who say steroids have hurt the game of baseball are idiots.
Have the players been hurt? Nope, increased production leads to larger salaries.
Have the owners been hurt? Hell no. More power brings more fans into the park and sells more merchandise.
Have the fans been hurt? Not at all. Fans love love the longball. You'll get the baseball purist assholes who enjoy 1-0 pitcher's duels, but 95% of the fans want to see offense.

It pisses me off to no end when these lethargic old school dinosaurs say Bonds disrespected the game of baseball and it's purity by taking steroids. Reality check - this is a game whose history is filled with drunks, cheaters, racists, murderers, gamblers, mob ties, womanizers, violence, etc, in a league who didn't allow black people to participate until 1947. Stop living in Fantasy Land. Ty Cobb, a player so revered by baseball historians, was a fucking racist who slid spikes first into 2nd in an attempt to injure the shortstop. Babe Ruth was a drunk and a womanizer. Doc Ellis pitched on LSD. George Steinbrenner had direct mob ties in the 70's. Yeah, baseball was a Utopia of purity before steroids ruined everything. Horseshit.


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- impala454   Top 10 All-Time Home Run Hitters   Aug 7 2007, 10:24 PM
- - schwab   eh...i fail to see how he cheated since whatever h...   Aug 7 2007, 10:37 PM
- - impala454   uh it was illegal?   Aug 7 2007, 11:38 PM
|- - James   QUOTE (impala454 @ Aug 8 2007, 12:38 AM) ...   Aug 9 2007, 01:36 PM
- - Dogmeat   c;mon now yall. his penis was so big he had to tak...   Aug 8 2007, 01:52 AM
- - impala454   So how about they call carry knives on the field a...   Aug 9 2007, 01:44 PM
- - James   Except fighting is against the rules. Your lack o...   Aug 9 2007, 01:53 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (James @ Aug 9 2007, 02:53 PM) Exce...   Aug 9 2007, 02:15 PM
|- - Oasis   QUOTE (impala454 @ Aug 9 2007, 03:15 PM) ...   Aug 9 2007, 02:50 PM
|- - James   QUOTE (impala454 @ Aug 9 2007, 03:15 PM) ...   Aug 9 2007, 03:02 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (James @ Aug 9 2007, 04:02 PM) Yet ...   Aug 9 2007, 03:09 PM
- - moebary   I'm almost positive that somewhere in baseball...   Aug 9 2007, 01:57 PM
|- - Oasis   QUOTE (moebary @ Aug 9 2007, 02:57 PM) I...   Aug 9 2007, 02:06 PM
- - Oasis   This was posted by my friend on another board a fe...   Aug 9 2007, 02:11 PM
|- - blaarg   QUOTE (Oasis @ Aug 9 2007, 03:11 PM) This...   Aug 9 2007, 02:32 PM
|- - Oasis   QUOTE (blaarg @ Aug 9 2007, 03:32 PM) Am ...   Aug 9 2007, 02:37 PM
- - impala454   but it's not a level playing field. steroids ...   Aug 9 2007, 02:57 PM
|- - Oasis   QUOTE (impala454 @ Aug 9 2007, 03:57 PM) ...   Aug 9 2007, 03:44 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Oasis @ Aug 9 2007, 04:44 PM) That...   Aug 9 2007, 03:51 PM
- - James   Yes you can. It's called a confession. Not e...   Aug 9 2007, 03:15 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (James @ Aug 9 2007, 04:15 PM) Yes ...   Aug 9 2007, 03:21 PM
- - Oasis   I'm saying it was NOT A PUNISHABLE OFFENSE. I...   Aug 9 2007, 04:13 PM
- - impala454   I know why they looked the other way, but IMO it s...   Aug 9 2007, 07:24 PM
- - Epic   honestly, there were plenty of ways for Ruth to c...   Aug 9 2007, 08:11 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Epic @ Aug 9 2007, 09:11 PM) i thi...   Aug 10 2007, 08:28 AM
- - jwttu   i just think bonds is an ass, he never seems happy   Aug 10 2007, 11:16 AM
- - impala454   yeah that little tantrum he threw after being 0-30...   Aug 10 2007, 11:37 AM
- - impala454   LOLOLOL bond's 756 ball gets an asterisk prin...   Sep 26 2007, 11:45 AM
- - cmac   and they're still happy to be receiving it. s...   Sep 26 2007, 01:29 PM
- - THECHICKEN   Yeah, how dare he do something in the past that wa...   Sep 26 2007, 01:41 PM
- - impala454   oh boo hoo ya buncha crybabies. if they didnt thi...   Sep 26 2007, 03:03 PM
- - Epic   it really seems that everyone who is upset with bo...   Sep 26 2007, 03:10 PM
- - impala454   so if he was convicted of using steroids, was it s...   Sep 26 2007, 03:13 PM
- - Epic   part of it will always be that. steroids, if he u...   Sep 26 2007, 04:35 PM
- - impala454   no way. its sad to me that some people can't ...   Sep 26 2007, 04:57 PM
- - Epic   i just think its funny that people will make a com...   Sep 26 2007, 06:26 PM
- - Oasis   The entire thing is a farce. And you know, the Ho...   Sep 26 2007, 06:29 PM
- - impala454   ok but being racist or doing coke doesn't help...   Sep 26 2007, 09:41 PM
|- - Oasis   QUOTE (impala454 @ Sep 26 2007, 10:41 PM)...   Sep 27 2007, 01:17 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Oasis @ Sep 27 2007, 02:17 PM) Rac...   Sep 27 2007, 02:02 PM
- - cmac   regardless of if he used steroids or not, he still...   Sep 27 2007, 08:01 AM
- - moebary   the armor just makes him a pussy   Sep 27 2007, 09:06 AM
- - impala454   your batting average will go up when you hit balls...   Sep 27 2007, 09:06 AM
|- - Oasis   QUOTE (impala454 @ Sep 27 2007, 10:06 AM)...   Sep 27 2007, 01:19 PM
- - cmac   hitting an 80mph ball is no easy feat either. an...   Sep 27 2007, 09:21 AM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (cmac @ Sep 27 2007, 10:21 AM) hitt...   Sep 27 2007, 10:15 AM
- - cmac   in the 80s and early 90s it wasn't popular to ...   Sep 27 2007, 10:27 AM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (cmac @ Sep 27 2007, 11:27 AM) in t...   Sep 27 2007, 12:09 PM
- - cmac   i meant 5 or so a season. and like i said i don...   Sep 27 2007, 01:11 PM
- - Oasis   I'm mainly talking about competitive advantage...   Sep 27 2007, 02:24 PM
- - impala454   ah.. well yeah no doubt old records would get shat...   Sep 27 2007, 02:36 PM


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