Amnesty Bill Options

[Hartmann]

What do you think of the Amnesty Bill that is set for cloture today and tomorrow?

[pysex]

yeah i don't know of any illegals that use banks...it's necessary to have a social security number..illegals won't have that

low income apartments may not require social security numbers or identification so they're able to live there

[Seeker]

yeah i don't know of any illegals that use banks...it's necessary to have a social security number..illegals won't have that

low income apartments may not require social security numbers or identification so they're able to live there

Bank of America will open an account without a social security number (along with a number of other banks).

http://www.bankofamericaboycott.com/banklist/index.shtml

Second, not having a social security number won't stop them. There is a whole underground market dealing with forged social security IDs for illegals. One could be using YOURS RIGHT NOW and you won't find out until your credit is ruined.

[impala454]

Bank of America will open an account without a social security number (along with a number of other banks).

http://www.bankofamericaboycott.com/banklist/index.shtml

Second, not having a social security number won't stop them. There is a whole underground market dealing with forged social security IDs for illegals. One could be using YOURS RIGHT NOW and you won't find out until your credit is ruined.

so what would you propose to do to determine which businesses are catering to/hiring illegals? how would you "shut them down"? What do you do for all of the legal citizens who used to work at the business you just shut down? What do you tell the legal citizens of this country when the economy starts to plummet because businesses are being shut down and workers are being deported?

this is the only type of thing that keep me from saying i'm a libertarian. i like the simplistic views, but there's never any practical solutions or policy. i would agree with you that getting tough on illegals would be good, but shutting down every business that knowingly caters to or hires illegals is simply not possible or practical.

[Oasis]

so what would you propose to do to determine which businesses are catering to/hiring illegals? how would you "shut them down"? What do you do for all of the legal citizens who used to work at the business you just shut down? What do you tell the legal citizens of this country when the economy starts to plummet because businesses are being shut down and workers are being deported?

this is the only type of thing that keep me from saying i'm a libertarian. i like the simplistic views, but there's never any practical solutions or policy. i would agree with you that getting tough on illegals would be good, but shutting down every business that knowingly caters to or hires illegals is simply not possible or practical.

Handle it just like other businesses who break rules: hefty fines. If they continue to break the law, shut them down. What was that bar that had a problem with serving alcohol to minors and people who were clearly over the legal limit? The Spoon maybe? TABC started handing out fines and eventually stripped their liquor license because they refused to comply with state laws. Trust me, if a business' bottom line starts taking a serious financial hit, they tend to shape up pretty quickly.

[impala454]

Handle it just like other businesses who break rules: hefty fines. If they continue to break the law, shut them down. What was that bar that had a problem with serving alcohol to minors and people who were clearly over the legal limit? The Spoon maybe? TABC started handing out fines and eventually stripped their liquor license because they refused to comply with state laws. Trust me, if a business' bottom line starts taking a serious financial hit, they tend to shape up pretty quickly.

I got no problem with fines, or an escalation on multiple offenses. I was just asking how you could go immediately shut down every company out there that has illegal employees. It cannot be done and should not be done.

My main idea is if they're here, and they work, and don't commit crimes, leave em be. Let them have a license to drive, but no social security. Lets get some biometric or RF identification that's harder to duplicate. Most of all, we need to identify the countries where we have the most immigration, and establish places people can go to begin the process of getting the proper ID and paperwork to enter the United States legally. Last of all, build a F'n wall! None of this will work until we secure our borders and prevent illegals from getting here in the first place.