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What's your opinion of the BIGGEST factor in how we got to the current national average of $3.22/gallon?
Gas companies are increasing it so they can increase their profits [ 12 ] ** [48.00%]
The Iraq War made oil more expensive [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Hurricane Katrina [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
People are driving more than ever, increasing demand [ 2 ] ** [8.00%]
Vehicles are less fuel efficient than before [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Inflation [ 3 ] ** [12.00%]
Other (explain) [ 8 ] ** [32.00%]
What's your opinion of the MOST reasonable thing we can do to effectively reduce gas prices?
Drive less [ 1 ] ** [4.00%]
Drill Alaska & other fields aggressively to meet demand [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Mandate a switch to E85 (85% ethanol) [ 1 ] ** [4.00%]
Mandate a switch to more fuel efficient vehicles [ 6 ] ** [24.00%]
Put legislation through to force gas companies to lower prices [ 6 ] ** [24.00%]
Renegotiate treaties with foreign oil countries [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
There's nothing reasonable we can do to reduce gas prices [ 3 ] ** [12.00%]
Other (explain) [ 8 ] ** [32.00%]
What's the lowest you think we'll ever see a gallon of gas again?
Less than $1.00 [ 1 ] ** [4.00%]
$1.00 - $1.50 [ 2 ] ** [8.00%]
$1.50 - $2.00 [ 6 ] ** [24.00%]
$2.00 - $2.50 [ 12 ] ** [48.00%]
$2.50 - $3.00 [ 3 ] ** [12.00%]
$3.00 or higher [ 1 ] ** [4.00%]
Total Votes: 25
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impala454
post May 24 2007, 08:46 AM
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Just thought it'd be some interesting questions to ask. As always, explain what your choices were and why. If there's a sensible choice in one of the questions I left out, I'll add it.
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Psykopath
post May 24 2007, 01:09 PM
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Why so serious?


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Dogmeat: Quit referring to anyone that supports LOGICAL environmental efforts as a Goddamn hippie or Socialist. That shit is tiring and completely off base, for the most part. I.E.- Quit blanket insulting anyone not on the right-wing concerning big oil.


As far as this poll:
1.) The cause of the spike is an amalgamation of factors, no one complete cause. I do feel the biggest player in the spike is the oil companies seeking ever more profits, but let's face it: They're exploiting a perfect situation right now. The demand is high, as it will obviously remain and continue to grow, until consumers finally realize that they can't afford to take their kids to soccer practice in a fucking hummer and demand better valued hybrids (which are the first step towards less oil use in the transportation arena).

2.) So yeah, people will just need to wake up eventually and see that they are being exploited/wars raise oil prices/they are demanding too much oil/refineries can only make so much/etc. and start to fix things in a logical progression.

3.) $2-$2.50, if we're lucky.

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post May 24 2007, 03:58 PM
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DEATH TO ....something?


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QUOTE (Psykopath @ May 24 2007, 01:09 PM) *
Dogmeat: Quit referring to anyone that supports LOGICAL environmental efforts as a Goddamn hippie or Socialist. That shit is tiring and completely off base, for the most part. I.E.- Quit blanket insulting anyone not on the right-wing concerning big oil.
As far as this poll:
1.) The cause of the spike is an amalgamation of factors, no one complete cause. I do feel the biggest player in the spike is the oil companies seeking ever more profits, but let's face it: They're exploiting a perfect situation right now. The demand is high, as it will obviously remain and continue to grow, until consumers finally realize that they can't afford to take their kids to soccer practice in a fucking hummer and demand better valued hybrids (which are the first step towards less oil use in the transportation arena).

2.) So yeah, people will just need to wake up eventually and see that they are being exploited/wars raise oil prices/they are demanding too much oil/refineries can only make so much/etc. and start to fix things in a logical progression.

3.) $2-$2.50, if we're lucky.


"Logical environmental efforts" has been a virtual oxymoron in the last 30 years ... seriously, it has. Of all the "environmental efforts" i've witnessed, I'd say maybe %10 were logical and not political stunts, so forgive me for generalizing. I think that generalizations have been well-deserved in the vast majority of cases here smile.gif

I guess the single biggest problem I have with these so-called "environmental efforts" is that they're being pushed by people whose livlihoods, state economies, whatever don't revolve around having jobs in the oilfield. I find it assinine when hollywood zealots like barbara streisand use their wealth so misguidedly to fight political battles in parts of the country they MIGHT visit once a year has an ENORMOUS effect on the thousands of people that might live and work in that area, and actually *enjoy* the "environment" there. I have yet to meet a single person in the oilfield that wanted to see their old stomping grounds fucked up by drilling operations. Not one. I'd be willing to be that %90 of the people who work out there and more concerned about "the environment" than ANYONE from a thousand miles away ...

I dunno. If you think about how many trillions of gasoline, gallons of oil, etc have been recovered and produced vs. how many have ever been accidentally spilled, I'd say the track record is amazing. Why do you want to spill what makes you money? And what's even funnier is, all of the so-called negative environmental impact that is generated by drilling operations that supposedly fucks up the land, etc .... I dunno, I spent the first 24 years of my life in the most outdoorsey state in the country and I have yet to see a drilling operatioon fuck up a fishing hole or hunting round I used to roam in ...

go figure....

sorry man, the phrase "logical environmental effort" sounds really good but the people who claim that's what they're pushing are basically selling political snake oil .... there's not a lot that's "logical" about it from my standpoint.


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