Vista, Split from vista antivirus Options

[Seeker]

windows vista is the equivalent of windows ME

a big bloated useless piece of shitty broken software rushed out the door

since i work for mcafee, i say get mcafee virus scanner (not free though)

[Seeker]

Good post on slashdot:

Is Vista in trouble? Why wouldn't it be? Even if Microsoft gave the thing away for free, it totally ignores the fact that there's an enormous cost [auckland.ac.nz] to upgrading. Microsoft doesn't need a fire sale, it needs to be paying people to install this thing.

Let's run down the usual suspects of people who upgrade and see how they feel:

* Business users hate it. The hardware required to run it cost a lot of money when multiplied by tens, hundreds, or thousands of employees. Add to that the training costs, the support costs, the deployment costs, and so on ad nauseum, and the business decision easily becomes a no-brainer. And for what? Beefed up "security" that causes your user base to go nuts answering "Allow or deny" dialog boxes?
* Gamers hate it. It just plain doesn't run with the hardware that's out right now. I really think that Vista is trying to be the proverbial egg that comes before widespread manufacturer support (the proverbial chicken), but it's just not happening. Every gamer I know is avoiding Vista like the plague. As long as gamers aren't begging for Vista support in their high-end components, manufacturers are still going to continue to be reluctant.
* Speaking of manufacturers, it's obvious that they hate it, too. When I tried Vista for a week a while back (not the beta, the so-called real version after launch), two things didn't work. My Creative SoundBlaster Live! card and my nVidia video card. To be fair, the latter technically worked, but some of its higher-end functionality didn't. We're not talking about little no-name manufacturers here or bizarre equipment, we're talking about common cards from major manufacturers. Have you even seen the hoops that hardware manufacturers have to jump through to comply with Vista's outrageous requirements?
* The emerging home entertainment market hates it. Let's not mince words: One of Vista's primary design goals is Digital Rights "Management," keeping these people from doing what they want to do. Why would buy software that takes functionality away!!?

I could go on, but you get the point. Is Vista in trouble? You bet. Add to all of the above the competition that it faces from various Linux distributions that are easier than ever to install and use, products like Mac OS, clever new projects such as ReactOS [reactos.org], and even its own predecessor! and it becomes clear that Microsoft should be praying that people pirate it, because that's the only way it's going to make any kind of splash when all is said and done.

Don't get me wrong, it won't die completely, any more than Windows ME is dead. But in the annals of operating systems, my money is that it will be merely a blip on the screen. If Microsoft is smart, it should be working on adding features to its operating system, making it faster and more powerful and easier to use. It should be fighting with us against DRM, not against us by crippling their software with it.

Personally, I think that Microsoft is not very smart, but who knows, I guess we'll see. At any rate, after giving it a week to try to convince me that it's not as bad as everyone says it is, I was very disappointed in it and won't be running it anytime in the forseeable future.

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* Business users hate it. The hardware required to run it cost a lot of money when multiplied by tens, hundreds, or thousands of employees. Add to that the training costs, the support costs, the deployment costs, and so on ad nauseum, and the business decision easily becomes a no-brainer.

most businesses don't upgrade, no matter how good the new upgrade is. business is all about cost, and "if it aint broke, don't fix it" is the tune that 99% of businesses out there operate on. it has nothing to do with vista itself.

Gamers hate it. It just plain doesn't run with the hardware that's out right now. I really think that Vista is trying to be the proverbial egg that comes before widespread manufacturer support (the proverbial chicken), but it's just not happening. Every gamer I know is avoiding Vista like the plague. As long as gamers aren't begging for Vista support in their high-end components, manufacturers are still going to continue to be reluctant.

believe it or not (slashdot), hard core gamers don't rule the home PC industry. and even in that small market, the manufacturers are scrambling to be the first to have DX10 supported hardware/drivers. they're loving it because in that hardcore market, they know people will ditch their old $500 video card to go get a new $500 DX10 card.

Speaking of manufacturers, it's obvious that they hate it, too. When I tried Vista for a week a while back (not the beta, the so-called real version after launch), two things didn't work. My Creative SoundBlaster Live! card and my nVidia video card. To be fair, the latter technically worked, but some of its higher-end functionality didn't. We're not talking about little no-name manufacturers here or bizarre equipment, we're talking about common cards from major manufacturers. Have you even seen the hoops that hardware manufacturers have to jump through to comply with Vista's outrageous requirements?

"when i tried vista for a week a while back". hmm.. i think it was a long while back, because its been several months since the problems with creative and nvidia were fixed (by those companies respectively). the "hoops" that hardware manufacturers have to jump through are new APIs for these devices, making the driver developers for these companies get off their ass and do some work for a change. It's been the hardware companies which have been slow to the punch. besides, what competing OS has better driver support? OSX with its four different computers it has to run on? Linux where you have to search high and low and compile shit and type 40 commands into a CLI to get your sound card to work?

* The emerging home entertainment market hates it. Let's not mince words: One of Vista's primary design goals is Digital Rights "Management," keeping these people from doing what they want to do. Why would buy software that takes functionality away!!?

every single person I know that has a home theater PC loves vista. the media center interface on it is slick as hell and a nice improvement over MCE2005 (although this one was nice too). I still don't understand what these people are bitching about with DRM. I had no problems whatsoever playing any media. I'd be interested to hear specific examples instead of just keeping on hearing "OMG i cant play my musix on vista!".

Personally, I think that Microsoft is not very smart

yeah... save for the fact that they're pretty much the most successful & profitable software company in existence.