Immigration issues (split from VT thread), guns, etc. Options

[cupcake]

my proposed gun law changes borne from this incident (laws mind you...something criminals disregard):

-U.S. citizenship required for purchase (no 'resident alien' malarkey)

-abolish gun-free zones except for federal and govt properties and airplanes/ports. Place law-abiding conceal/carry permit owners on a level playing field for defense.

unfortunately, however, I feel that will be the opposite of what come of this...leaving law-abiders even more defenseless, eventually creating a population of outlaws carrying whatever/whenever the hell they want...

[FORSAKENR320]

7 years for naturalization i think? until they've been here 7 yrs, no guns. after that, it's our responsibility to accept them as legal full u.s. citizens

[Inferia]

7 years for naturalization i think? until they've been here 7 yrs, no guns. after that, it's our responsibility to accept them as legal full u.s. citizens

try 12 years at least. Green card takes a few years, depending on which speed you apply. After that you have to wait 5 years before you can become a citizen.

[FORSAKENR320]

try 12 years at least. Green card takes a few years, depending on which speed you apply. After that you have to wait 5 years before you can become a citizen.

WELL, THEN THEY WAIT 12 YEARS

the point is, they have to do their time to earn all the rights of being an american. but once they do earn them, we have no right to deny them full citizenship.

[Inferia]

WELL, THEN THEY WAIT 12 YEARS

the point is, they have to do their time to earn all the rights of being an american. but once they do earn them, we have no right to deny them full citizenship.

Then what else do you propose to take away from non-citizens? What parts of the amendment apply to us and what part don't? So once they become citizens, then they can go ahead and buy guns and do these deeds because they earned their right?

What am I trying to say is that taking away the right to bare arm from non-citizens will not solve anything. Unless you're saying that guns are the problem, them you should take away the right for everyone. Because if you don't think that guns are the problem, then if someone wants to kill someone else, taking away their right to purchase a firearm will not stop these people.

[cupcake]

Then what else do you propose to take away from non-citizens? What parts of the amendment apply to us and what part don't?

pysex summed it up

"I think the two major things that shouldn't be allowed are buying guns and protesting the government. Those two things should be exclusive rights to American citizens."

do resident aliens have the right to vote? if so, then that too is something they dont need. I'm unsure what all they can after all this...

[Inferia]

pysex summed it up

"I think the two major things that shouldn't be allowed are buying guns and protesting the government. Those two things should be exclusive rights to American citizens."

do resident aliens have the right to vote? if so, then that too is something they dont need. I'm unsure what all they can after all this...

Permanent residents, or green card holders are more or less guaranteed the same amount of rights as most American. With the following exceptions:

1. they do not have the right to vote on national/state elections, I think they do have the right to vote on locale issues, such as shooting of mourning doves (don't ask).

2. they can't work at certain government jobs because of security issues.

3. if they commit a crime, I think they can be sent back to their country of citizenship

Other than that I can't think of anymore

[pysex]

Permanent residents, or green card holders are more or less guaranteed the same amount of rights as most American. With the following exceptions:

1. they do not have the right to vote on national/state elections, I think they do have the right to vote on locale issues, such as shooting of mourning doves (don't ask).

Wait....what? Residents can vote on local issues? Is that like city voting?