Immigration issues (split from VT thread), guns, etc. Options

[cupcake]

my proposed gun law changes borne from this incident (laws mind you...something criminals disregard):

-U.S. citizenship required for purchase (no 'resident alien' malarkey)

-abolish gun-free zones except for federal and govt properties and airplanes/ports. Place law-abiding conceal/carry permit owners on a level playing field for defense.

unfortunately, however, I feel that will be the opposite of what come of this...leaving law-abiders even more defenseless, eventually creating a population of outlaws carrying whatever/whenever the hell they want...

[impala454]

if someone comes here legally, they deserve all the rights we afford here. including buying guns.

you guys arguing against this... what are you gonna do? take away every single legal immigrant's guns because one guy who had been here for 14 years went nuts? I don't think you see the irony. You're rationalizing your idea in exactly the same way the gun control advocates do to say you(the US citizen) should have your guns taken away too. just be careful what you wish for, you could get more than you ask for

[pysex]

if someone comes here legally, they deserve all the rights we afford here. including buying guns.

you guys arguing against this... what are you gonna do? take away every single legal immigrant's guns because one guy who had been here for 14 years went nuts? I don't think you see the irony. You're rationalizing your idea in exactly the same way the gun control advocates do to say you(the US citizen) should have your guns taken away too. just be careful what you wish for, you could get more than you ask for

i really don't like the idea that someone can come from another country with a visa and then arm themselves


and everyone keeps saying this dude went nuts....i think his actions were calculated
he was conscious of his actions and i wish people would stop making excuses for what he did


and how is denying gun purchasing to non citizens going to affect gun purchasing for citizens?

[Inferia]

i really don't like the idea that someone can come from another country with a visa and then arm themselves
and everyone keeps saying this dude went nuts....i think his actions were calculated
he was conscious of his actions and i wish people would stop making excuses for what he did
and how is denying gun purchasing to non citizens going to affect gun purchasing for citizens?

No one is making excuses for what he did. We're, or rather I am, just fighting for my right. Yes, his motives are calculated, and he has also been here for 14 fuckin' years. He hardly count as foreign.

I find it some of you have no idea what it is like to be an immigrant in this country and yet, you go as so much to think that we're offending you.

If America is the host, and we are the guest, then America is a very rude host sometimes. I sure as hope when I go over to someone's house they are polite to me. America is not a very polite country sometimes, in fact, a lot of time it's down right rude. Why do you think many countries hate America? It's this fuckin' attitude that you have. Do you even know how hard it is assemilation is? How hard it is when there isn't anyone to help you. You walk into this country blind, blinded by Hollywood, blinded by the news, and there really isn't a person here to show you the way. How well do you learn without someone guiding you. It's not like there's a book out there titled "How to be Americanized". And let's not even talk about how wrong that is. You think you feel weird walking into a Chinese store or a Mexican store, try walking that everyday of your fuckin' life and everywhere else you go. Yes, we're in this country in the form of a guest, and as guest we should be courteous, but as host, you should be just as courteous.

AND who the fuck said that immigrants are not on board to become Americans. Who the fuck give you the idea that foreigners are here just to soak up your money and take advantage of America. IN fact, most immigrants dream is to become an American citizen. But from the recent surge of all this anti-immigration, maybe, I will take my American education, I will take my Ph.D somewhere else where people are more accepting of people who are different. And with this attitude people have I suspect many foreign students will not want to stay in a country that is not at all welcoming, they will take away their knowledge, their degrees, and help another country to be a better country. Let's see who comes out the winner

Sorry Pysex, this is not really directed at you.

[pysex]

If America is the host, and we are the guest, then America is a very rude host sometimes. I sure as hope when I go over to someone's house they are polite to me. America is not a very polite country sometimes, in fact, a lot of time it's down right rude. Why do you think many countries hate America? It's this fuckin' attitude that you have. Do you even know how hard it is assemilation is? How hard it is when there isn't anyone to help you. You walk into this country blind, blinded by Hollywood, blinded by the news, and there really isn't a person here to show you the way. How well do you learn without someone guiding you. It's not like there's a book out there titled "How to be Americanized". And let's not even talk about how wrong that is. You think you feel weird walking into a Chinese store or a Mexican store, try walking that everyday of your fuckin' life and everywhere else you go. Yes, we're in this country in the form of a guest, and as guest we should be courteous, but as host, you should be just as courteous. Sorry Pysex, this is not really directed at you.

I understand your frustration...I do.

But as you asked.."Why do you think many countries hate America?"

Do you think it's wise to let someone from another country come here and buy guns if so many countries hate us. What's to stop a terrorist from coming here and doing just that. We're supposed to be this amazing country of opportunity but assholes keep shittin in our front yard and calling us the bad guys.

[Inferia]

I understand your frustration...I do.

But as you asked.."Why do you think many countries hate America?"

Do you think it's wise to let someone from another country come here and buy guns if so many countries hate us. What's to stop a terrorist from coming here and doing just that. We're supposed to be this amazing country of opportunity but assholes keep shittin in our front yard and calling us the bad guys.

If they are really terroists, you really think they can't figure out a way to get guns in this country? I think it's kind of naive to think that by taking away their rights to buy guns then they won't be able to get it. Many Americans hate other Americans, do you think it's wise to let these people buy guns? Plus, a foreigner can board a plane and crash that plane into a tall building, do we then not allow foreign people fly in this country?

Sorry if I'm taking this really personally, but I'm in the process of debating whether if I want to become a citizen of this country. And shit like this really want me to have nothing to do with this country.

[pysex]

If they are really terroists, you really think they can't figure out a way to get guns in this country? I think it's kind of naive to think that by taking away their rights to buy guns then they won't be able to get it. Many Americans hate other Americans, do you think it's wise to let these people buy guns? Plus, a foreigner can board a plane and crash that plane into a tall building, do we then not allow foreign people fly in this country?

Sorry if I'm taking this really personally, but I'm in the process of debating whether if I want to become a citizen of this country. And shit like this really want me to have nothing to do with this country.

If you want to stay here you probably understand how the quality of life is pretty fucking good.

There is a lot of prejudice...even moreso because of the situation we're in now. Naturally I'm going to be paranoid of a resident coming into this country and having the ability to buy guns. Even having the ability makes me uncomfortable. I'm not saying you're dangerous. I also understand that there's a higher probability of me being shot by a fellow American than by a foreigner.


I just don't like the fact that non citizens have the right to bear arms. That doesn't give me a feeling of complete security...something we need right now.

[Inferia]

If you want to stay here you probably understand how the quality of life is pretty fucking good.

There is a lot of prejudice...even moreso because of the situation we're in now. Naturally I'm going to be paranoid of a resident coming into this country and having the ability to buy guns. Even having the ability makes me uncomfortable. I'm not saying you're dangerous. I also understand that there's a higher probability of me being shot by a fellow American than by a foreigner.
I just don't like the fact that non citizens have the right to bear arms. That doesn't give me a feeling of complete security...something we need right now.

He's a permanent resident though, he didn't just come into this country. Would you be more comfortable with home-made bombs then?

I understand how the situation is shitty right now, but by taking away rights, is not the way to make things less shitty. I think it will actually make things more shitty. As someone who's lived here for 14 years, I just find it disturbing that my rights are being taken away little by little. Maybe one day I'll wake up without any rights, and then I'll have to make a decision of leaving this country or staying in it. And either choice is does not seem very palpable to me.