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cupcake
post Apr 19 2007, 10:17 AM
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my proposed gun law changes borne from this incident (laws mind you...something criminals disregard):

-U.S. citizenship required for purchase (no 'resident alien' malarkey)

-abolish gun-free zones except for federal and govt properties and airplanes/ports. Place law-abiding conceal/carry permit owners on a level playing field for defense.

unfortunately, however, I feel that will be the opposite of what come of this...leaving law-abiders even more defenseless, eventually creating a population of outlaws carrying whatever/whenever the hell they want...
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cupcake
post Apr 19 2007, 04:16 PM
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after reading Inferia's well written arguments, I just now realized I am turning into an isolationist and not capable of an objective discourse over the subject of immigration anymore.

America was founded by immigrants. was...

We're no longer in the business of populating this country and building it up...we need to be in the business of protecting it (not just defensively, but culturally as well).

god did I just write that?

circle the damn wagons...
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- cupcake   Immigration issues (split from VT thread)   Apr 19 2007, 10:17 AM
- - Inferia   QUOTE (cupcake @ Apr 19 2007, 10:17 AM) m...   Apr 19 2007, 12:58 PM
|- - cupcake   QUOTE (Inferia @ Apr 19 2007, 01:58 PM) I...   Apr 19 2007, 02:38 PM
|- - Inferia   QUOTE (cupcake @ Apr 19 2007, 02:38 PM) w...   Apr 19 2007, 03:30 PM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (Inferia @ Apr 19 2007, 04:30 PM) W...   Apr 19 2007, 03:42 PM
|- - Inferia   QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Apr 19 2007, 03:42 PM...   Apr 19 2007, 03:45 PM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (Inferia @ Apr 19 2007, 04:45 PM) S...   Apr 19 2007, 03:54 PM
|- - Inferia   QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Apr 19 2007, 03:54 PM...   Apr 19 2007, 03:58 PM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (Inferia @ Apr 19 2007, 04:58 PM) A...   Apr 19 2007, 04:02 PM
|- - Inferia   QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Apr 19 2007, 04:02 PM...   Apr 20 2007, 10:01 AM
|- - cupcake   QUOTE (Inferia @ Apr 20 2007, 11:01 AM) A...   Apr 20 2007, 10:06 AM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (Inferia @ Apr 20 2007, 11:01 AM) S...   Apr 20 2007, 01:03 PM
- - impala454   i understand the reasoning behind wanting to requi...   Apr 19 2007, 02:42 PM
- - cupcake   I understand that...and said that at the beginning...   Apr 19 2007, 02:43 PM
- - impala454   this isn't an issue of immigrants, gun control...   Apr 19 2007, 03:36 PM
- - lamont's lament   fuck immigrants. legal and illegal.   Apr 19 2007, 03:51 PM
- - pysex   you should be a u.s. citizen to be able to practic...   Apr 19 2007, 04:16 PM
- - cupcake   after reading Inferia's well written arguments...   Apr 19 2007, 04:16 PM
- - John6.7   You guys have weird views towards legal permanent ...   Apr 19 2007, 05:04 PM
|- - pysex   QUOTE (John6.7 @ Apr 19 2007, 06:04 PM) Y...   Apr 19 2007, 07:54 PM
|- - John6.7   QUOTE (pysex @ Apr 19 2007, 08:54 PM) exa...   Apr 19 2007, 09:45 PM
|- - pysex   QUOTE (John6.7 @ Apr 19 2007, 10:45 PM) I...   Apr 20 2007, 02:06 AM
- - zetec   QUOTE (John6.7 @ Apr 19 2007, 06:04 PM) Y...   Apr 19 2007, 06:19 PM
- - TetraGrammaton Cleric   wow, i cannot believe the amount of bigotry and xe...   Apr 20 2007, 03:01 AM
|- - cupcake   preface...this is no longer about the shooter, but...   Apr 20 2007, 10:03 AM
|- - pysex   QUOTE (cupcake @ Apr 20 2007, 11:03 AM) t...   Apr 20 2007, 10:25 AM
- - koreanp1e   no wonder west texas blows. racist moterfucking id...   Apr 20 2007, 03:58 AM
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|- - pysex   QUOTE (koreanp1e @ Apr 20 2007, 04:58 AM)...   Apr 20 2007, 10:11 AM
- - impala454   if someone comes here legally, they deserve all th...   Apr 20 2007, 07:11 AM
|- - pysex   QUOTE (impala454 @ Apr 20 2007, 08:11 AM)...   Apr 20 2007, 10:07 AM
|- - Inferia   QUOTE (pysex @ Apr 20 2007, 10:07 AM) i r...   Apr 20 2007, 10:22 AM
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|- - Inferia   QUOTE (pysex @ Apr 20 2007, 10:29 AM) I u...   Apr 20 2007, 10:32 AM
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|- - Inferia   QUOTE (pysex @ Apr 20 2007, 11:30 AM) If ...   Apr 20 2007, 11:35 AM
|- - pysex   QUOTE (Inferia @ Apr 20 2007, 12:35 PM) H...   Apr 20 2007, 11:42 AM
- - chook   everybody's racist a little bit sometimes.....   Apr 20 2007, 10:14 AM
- - chook   I was trying to find a book titled "How to be...   Apr 20 2007, 10:30 AM
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- - cupcake   some of y'all need to head over to england and...   Apr 20 2007, 10:32 AM
- - kcroxyoursox   QUOTE (Inferia @ Apr 20 2007, 09:22 AM) H...   Apr 20 2007, 11:00 AM
|- - Inferia   QUOTE (kcroxyoursox @ Apr 20 2007, 11:00 ...   Apr 20 2007, 11:04 AM
|- - Dogmeat   QUOTE (Inferia @ Apr 20 2007, 11:04 AM) Y...   Apr 20 2007, 11:07 AM
|- - kcroxyoursox   QUOTE (Inferia @ Apr 20 2007, 10:04 AM) Y...   Apr 20 2007, 11:15 AM
|- - Inferia   QUOTE (kcroxyoursox @ Apr 20 2007, 11:15 ...   Apr 20 2007, 11:21 AM
- - Inferia   now that's just some muthafuckin' crazy sh...   Apr 20 2007, 11:11 AM
|- - Dogmeat   QUOTE (Inferia @ Apr 20 2007, 11:11 AM) n...   Apr 20 2007, 11:16 AM
- - FORSAKENR320   7 years for naturalization i think? until they...   Apr 20 2007, 11:37 AM
|- - Inferia   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Apr 20 2007, 11:37 ...   Apr 20 2007, 11:40 AM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Inferia @ Apr 20 2007, 12:40 PM) t...   Apr 20 2007, 11:47 AM
|- - Inferia   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Apr 20 2007, 11:47 ...   Apr 20 2007, 11:51 AM
|- - cupcake   QUOTE (Inferia @ Apr 20 2007, 12:51 PM) T...   Apr 20 2007, 11:56 AM
||- - Inferia   QUOTE (cupcake @ Apr 20 2007, 11:56 AM) p...   Apr 20 2007, 12:01 PM
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|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Inferia @ Apr 20 2007, 12:51 PM) T...   Apr 20 2007, 12:50 PM
|- - James   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Apr 20 2007, 01:50 ...   Apr 20 2007, 01:12 PM
||- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (James @ Apr 20 2007, 02:12 PM) I h...   Apr 20 2007, 01:22 PM
||- - Divergent Reality   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Apr 20 2007, 02:22 ...   Apr 22 2007, 10:56 PM
||- - Psykopath   QUOTE (Divergent Reality @ Apr 22 2007, 11...   Apr 22 2007, 11:50 PM
|- - Dr. Gonzo   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Apr 20 2007, 01:50 ...   Apr 20 2007, 03:15 PM
||- - pysex   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Apr 20 2007, 04:15 PM)...   Apr 20 2007, 03:18 PM
|- - Psykopath   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Apr 20 2007, 01:50 ...   Apr 20 2007, 04:23 PM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Apr 20 2007, 05:23 PM)...   Apr 21 2007, 04:49 AM
- - Dr. Gonzo   How many mass murderers, spree killers, serial kil...   Apr 20 2007, 12:11 PM
- - cupcake   "most" were I've moved past this ki...   Apr 20 2007, 12:16 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   Exactly   Apr 20 2007, 12:17 PM
- - Testm0nkey   you have to take into account immigration to ameri...   Apr 20 2007, 01:13 PM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Apr 20 2007, 02:13 PM...   Apr 20 2007, 02:29 PM
- - Testm0nkey   people still dont seem to understand how much we d...   Apr 20 2007, 01:28 PM
|- - pysex   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Apr 20 2007, 02:28 PM...   Apr 20 2007, 03:09 PM
- - cupcake   agreed...I'd like to see a state sponsored ...   Apr 20 2007, 01:46 PM
- - impala454   kinda funny, the job I just started a few weeks ag...   Apr 20 2007, 02:44 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   This tradgedy should not be made into a racial and...   Apr 20 2007, 03:22 PM
- - Testm0s Boi Toi   It is a lot harder to gain citizenship anywhere el...   Apr 20 2007, 06:28 PM
- - chook   You could always get married and wait three years.   Apr 21 2007, 11:26 AM
- - Testm0s Boi Toi   i dont see how a foreigner can complain about the ...   Apr 21 2007, 12:36 PM
- - lamont's lament   or have a baby, because not only will you be able ...   Apr 21 2007, 01:34 PM
- - koreanp1e   I will say this one last time: - You cannot blame ...   Apr 21 2007, 02:22 PM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (koreanp1e @ Apr 21 2007, 03:22 PM)...   Apr 22 2007, 05:47 AM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (koreanp1e @ Apr 21 2007, 03:22 PM)...   Apr 22 2007, 10:10 PM
- - Testm0s Boi Toi   this has nothing to do with what happened directly...   Apr 21 2007, 02:51 PM
- - Psykopath   Why should a non-citizen be allowed to get the ful...   Apr 21 2007, 02:55 PM
|- - John6.7   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Apr 21 2007, 03:55 PM)...   Apr 21 2007, 03:20 PM
|- - Psykopath   QUOTE (John6.7 @ Apr 21 2007, 04:20 PM) w...   Apr 21 2007, 03:35 PM
|- - John6.7   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Apr 21 2007, 04:35 PM)...   Apr 21 2007, 04:43 PM
|- - Psykopath   QUOTE (John6.7 @ Apr 21 2007, 05:43 PM) N...   Apr 21 2007, 04:55 PM
- - koreanp1e   omfg. A RESIDENT ALIEN. NOT A TOURIST. NUFF SAID.   Apr 21 2007, 03:40 PM
|- - Psykopath   QUOTE (koreanp1e @ Apr 21 2007, 04:40 PM)...   Apr 21 2007, 04:38 PM
- - Aaron   I don't think it is unreasonable at all to den...   Apr 21 2007, 03:57 PM
- - Aaron   I just read the first few pages of this thread and...   Apr 21 2007, 04:29 PM
- - John6.7   Well then, if you did know that then your example ...   Apr 21 2007, 05:01 PM
|- - Psykopath   QUOTE (John6.7 @ Apr 21 2007, 06:01 PM) W...   Apr 21 2007, 08:46 PM
|- - John6.7   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Apr 21 2007, 09:46 PM)...   Apr 22 2007, 12:54 AM
- - Divergent Reality   haha. cant even keep a conversation going without...   Apr 21 2007, 05:14 PM
- - pysex   RE: Immigration issues (split from VT thread)   Apr 21 2007, 07:12 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   awww, kitties!   Apr 21 2007, 07:49 PM
- - lamont's lament   speak english or be fired   Apr 22 2007, 07:55 AM
- - Hartmann   On gun control: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?AR...   Apr 22 2007, 12:53 PM
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