Immigration issues (split from VT thread), guns, etc. Options

[cupcake]

my proposed gun law changes borne from this incident (laws mind you...something criminals disregard):

-U.S. citizenship required for purchase (no 'resident alien' malarkey)

-abolish gun-free zones except for federal and govt properties and airplanes/ports. Place law-abiding conceal/carry permit owners on a level playing field for defense.

unfortunately, however, I feel that will be the opposite of what come of this...leaving law-abiders even more defenseless, eventually creating a population of outlaws carrying whatever/whenever the hell they want...

[Inferia]

my proposed gun law changes borne from this incident (laws mind you...something criminals disregard):

-U.S. citizenship required for purchase (no 'resident alien' malarkey)

-abolish gun-free zones except for federal and govt properties and airplanes/ports. Place law-abiding conceal/carry permit owners on a level playing field for defense.

unfortunately, however, I feel that will be the opposite of what come of this...leaving law-abiders even more defenseless, eventually creating a population of outlaws carrying whatever/whenever the hell they want...

I don't think requiring citizenship will cure anything. Most people who are on permanent residency in the US have been in this country for years. The only thing that stands between you and a citizenship is a test that asks you how many stars are on the flag and a few hundred bucks. Not letting these people get guns is not solving much.

[cupcake]

I don't think requiring citizenship will cure anything. Most people who are on permanent residency in the US have been in this country for years. The only thing that stands between you and a citizenship is a test that asks you how many stars are on the flag and a few hundred bucks. Not letting these people get guns is not solving much.

with all due respect, I see it differently...

Being a citizen, taking that test, shows that you want to be an American, not just nurse off her tit.

...and being an American affords you 2nd amendment rights. Just taking up space here doesn't (in my opinion). Obviously the govt feels differently...which I think will be the eventual downfall of this country.

edit: inferia, do not read this as a hatred of legal aliens...I work with two ex-soviet buddies who are unapologetically "Russian", though they live and prosper here. But I don't think they should have the same rights and freedoms as citizens.

check out other countries and how they deal with noncitizens before you start to even begin saying anything about America. I got an offer to move to Nicaragua and make ass loads of cash, but I would never be able to own a car there.

[Inferia]

with all due respect, I see it differently...

Being a citizen, taking that test, shows that you want to be an American, not just nurse off her tit.

...and being an American affords you 2nd amendment rights. Just taking up space here doesn't (in my opinion). Obviously the govt feels differently...which I think will be the eventual downfall of this country.

edit: inferia, do not read this as a hatred of legal aliens...I work with two ex-soviet buddies who are unapologetically "Russian", though they live and prosper here. But I don't think they should have the same rights and freedoms as citizens.

check out other countries and how they deal with noncitizens before you start to even begin saying anything about America. I got an offer to move to Nicaragua and make ass loads of cash, but I would never be able to own a car there.

No, I understand what you're trying to say. Well, I will counter. We pay taxes just as you do, the same amount of tax. By paying this tax, we expect a certain amount of rights. If you are taking the 2nd amendment away, do you then take away the 1st amendment too? Are we no longer able the freedom of speech, because that is only for the citizens of America? Do you also take away the freedom of assembly? Then if those amendments do not apply to noncitizens, are we then allow to own slaves? How do you justify allowing some amendments and not allowing other amendments? Well? If you want to take away those rights, hell, I shouldn't as hell pay as much tax as the rest of you. You said it first, no taxation without representation.

I don't know if you can compare all countries fairly. The US is an immigrate nation, this country is built on the backs of immigrants. Not all nations are, most nations are probably are not in favor of immigrants. And it takes a long ass time to become a permanent resident in this country. It took my family 7 years, and some even longer. It's not something you decide yesterday and just want to do. If Cho wanted to do this, he would have still done it if citizenship was required to purchase a gun. Becoming a citizen is not that hard in this country as compared to becoming a permanent resident. Even from a money point of view, citizenship a few hundred dollars + 1 year, permanent residency thousand or tens of thousands of dollars + 4 - 15 years. You really think you can stop someone from doing this just by reenforcing a citizenship on gun control? If they can put up with 4 - 15 years and thousands of dollars, they can put up with 1 year, some chump change, and a test that asks how many states are in the US.

And btw, immigrants here are not "just taking up space". We work, and pay taxes just like you do. Somehow people get immigrants, and illegal immigrants confused. By being an immigrant, we are automatically assumed to be leeching off the system here. It's not only rude, it's wrong. It's very arrogant to think that you're doing some sort of favor for letting me live here.